Charisma? - Discussions, questions

rohini moon » fishscales Some did also list Charles Manson as very charismatic in the books too....

His 7th house...he was able to manipulate "others" very easily into doing what he wanted...

All benefics he had in his 7th, sun, merc, Venus and Jupiter in Libra. He used it to his advantage...

But of course not in the moral way...

But, it goes along perfectly with what you posted

rohini moon » fishscales https://m.youtube.com/watch/…

Two peas in a pod..

fishscales I sometimes wonder what the difference is between charisma and cult of personality...

Is there a difference?

Did Charles Manson have charisma or cult of personality?

What about Hitler?

But then you think about other people...

Ted Bundy... That´s charisma, not cult...

Either way, I think the sun, Pluto, and Neptune are the major players here...

Strong 1st, 5th, 7th, and probably 10th house...

Maybe an interesting 12th too, as unlikely as it may seem...mystery can be charismatic...

Possibly Uranus too...

rohini moon » Cancerman23 He had a ketu conjunct moon & mars, and mars in sagittarius.

In Scorpio sidereal...wise. Even more apropos

In his 4th house

Cancerman23 » rohini moon No need to worry unlike me He had a ketu conjunct moon & mars, and mars in sagittarius. recipe for disaster

rohini moon » Cancerman23 Let´s just hope your not luring women posing as a handicapped man.....

Cancerman23 Off topic, just noticed Bundy has the same Moon, Venus, Saturn house placements as me. Chiron & lilith same signs as me too. I noticed he had a very strong connection to home & was traveling all over the place. Very similar to me except i dont have the bad aspects.

I would say his Venus square Ascendant combined with his Leo Ascendant is a good combo that leaves people with good first impressions of him. I have the same aspect with a Gemini ascendant, and generally i leave good first impressions on new people.

rohini moon » Chadjames Well, my Chiron is in Taurus - sidereal...earth.

Very apropos

Astro-Seek.com » rohini moon System message: Post has been written by user Chadjames, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Chiron is the place you have humility.

Pain will do this.

It is why, I think, Saturn is before Chiron.

Saturn has his own lessons to learn when he´s out of touch (afflicted).

A person whom has learned their Saturnian lessons and embraces Chiron is a site to see.

Man or Woman!!!

Astro-Seek.com » rohini moon System message: Post has been written by user Dharma212, who already deleted profile on this website:
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"Hahah yes! That´s what I was thinking...most definitely Jupiter lends a major helping hand here ;)"


Yes indeed, he does, :-). Especially Jupiter-Sun are known for being "larger than life". Of course, I don´t fall into that category even though I have the very close conjunction, haha. My Sun "burns" Jupiter and Jupiter "expands" my Ego, haha. But having that aspect has been a blessing for me in terms of "protection". It is as if a "Guardian Angel" is always looking up for me.


"And I do notice lots of 8th house placements seem for prevail.. "


Oh yes, true! 3 out of 4 those cases have strong 8th house placements.


"that dark alluring sensuality of the 8th house ?"


Yes, indeed. Makes a lot of sense.

Astro-Seek.com » rohini moon System message: Post has been written by user Chadjames, who already deleted profile on this website:
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No.

You did not miss the mark.

Chiron is so seldom talked about let alone having so little information on the sober centaur.

In my eyes, Chiron is magnificent.

Wise, strong, handsome and earthy sauve.

I say "earthy" because he was always grounded.

rohini moon » Chadjames Damn....

I have it conjunct my moon/Rahu

Looks like I missed the mark, huh?

Astro-Seek.com » rohini moon System message: Post has been written by user Chadjames, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Chiron with the Sun, an extraordinaire.

Research Charisma and Chiron.

Plug it into a selected celeb.

Or, someone you know well and have a hankering of this type of trait in them.

Happy trails...

rohini moon » Chadjames Elaborate sir.

Which houses/signs?

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Chiron.

rohini moon » Dharma212 Hahah yes! That´s what I was thinking...most definitely Jupiter lends a major helping hand here ;)

And I do notice lots of 8th house placements seem for prevail..

that dark alluring sensuality of the 8th house ?

rohini moon » rohini moon Exhibit B

Sophia Loren - Mars in the 8th - same as Marilyn....

Cat eyeliner lovin´ Virgo queen.

Astro-Seek.com » rohini moon System message: Post has been written by user Dharma212, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Damn! He is as handsome as I am!

Please, don´t reply to that

Joke apart - because I am certainly not the handsome type, haha - I think it has to do mainly with Jupiter aspecting the Sun (or Moon), and a strong emphasized 5th house, either by placement, or through "Lord in houses" combinations.

And in each of those cases that you mentioned (in whole houses in Tropical), the above is present in each of those charts.

rohini moon Exhibit A

Marlon Brando - sidereal Scorpio asc with Jupiter ON asc, sun/moon in Pisces in 5th house of creativity dispositor = Jupiter ;)

Jupiter most certainly lends a helping hand in charisma

rohini moon Marlon Brando is another one...

What about Burt Reynolds? I think Burt had some je ne sais quoi.... Especially in Deliverance.