Colonel Russell Williams- Serial Killer - Discussions, questions

Astro-Seek.com System message: Post has been written by user Ladeeda, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Not sure if this was mentioned already. But the JCS analysis of the interrogation is worth a look see as well.

Promethean_Soul » Nani Lei What makes astrology more sophisticated than what we think is 2X2 not 4. There are many combinations of planets and signs. Their house placements and their aspects with each other. Their conjunctions with some fixed stars. We need to look at their midpoints also. We need to look at transits and sometimes we feel ourselves very depressed , what are behind them? We need to carefully look at them. In my hard times I saw so many hard aspects from Saturn and post Saturn planets. It is our will to pass this hard times successfully or we will surrender. If we surrender then we can do many bad things. But when we use our will to pass this hard times then we can transform ourselves. I believe if someone kills someone´s else lt is not destiny it is his will.

Nani Lei » Promethean_Soul I try to keep an open mind to the belief of past lives but the concept of here and now always seems to overcome. Our actions are governed by the present tense. It’s the only place we have control. Does this life affect the next? Or was it my previous life that brought the current circumstances? This thought process to me, is like a skipping record.

I have a theory regarding serial killers sharing common astrological placements. Pride mixed with aggression most certainly are key ingredients to the making of a sociopath but, I wonder where the line crosses between thought and action? Personality vs. Character? Like the daredevil component you mentioned, I believe that we are fueled by our imaginations and it’s in the realms of Neptune these killers get stuck in the record loop.

Promethean_Soul Nani when I look at chart what the most thing draw my attention then I give special improtance to that point. This colonel has mars and moon are in leo like I have. I can understand him better than anyone else. Firstly moon is in leo makes someone very proud , and when mars is there then this person became a daredevil , because leo is fixed sign and mars is in this fiery sign become very agressive and dramatic person. His mars is retro. I heard if someone has mars retro in his chart he may hurt someone else in previous life , in this chart it is in a fire sign then he would used violance in this life. Maybe this is true but I have some own experiences about retro planets when they are in personal planets like mercury , Venus and Mars. I have very good friend of mine. She has mercury retro in Leo conjunct with my moon excact aspect. I have very strong connection with her from previous life. When I saw she has mercury in Leo I thought maybe in this life she doesn´t use words like bullet. But she quarreled with me and she told me very very untrue things which would hurt many people , but I was not hurt I just asked her if she is sure their thoughts about me or not , she said she is sure. We have not talked more than 3 months and later we started to continue communicating but not frequently. What I saw from this? If someone has retro in personal planets this person brings some qualities from previous life and it is highly possible this person can make this mistake again. In this case this collonel gave serious damage to some people (mars is retro in leo) and he repetead it in this life again

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Hi Nani, I didn´t know you´re interested in crazy stuff. xD

I originally wanted to reply to another thread. https://forum.astro-seek.com/topic/…

What about this one?

“I Knew Right Away It Was My Dad”
A conversation with the daughter of the serial killer BTK.
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/…

Dennis Lynn Rader (born March 9, 1945) is an American serial killer known as BTK or the BTK Strangler. Rader gave himself the name "BTK" (for "bind, torture, kill"). Between 1974 and 1991, Rader killed ten people, all in Wichita, Kansas except for one in nearby Park City, Kansas, and sent taunting letters to police and newspapers describing the details of his crimes. After a decade-long hiatus, Rader resumed sending letters in 2004, leading to his 2005 arrest and subsequent guilty plea. He is serving ten consecutive life sentences at El Dorado Correctional Facility in Prospect Township, Butler County, Kansas.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Born Dennis Lynn Rader
March 9, 1945 (age 75)
Pittsburg, Kansas, U.S.

Marc Sales » hh You will comment !!

ahhh and I have many more data (several letters from Angles for example) of all (sisters, close relatives of the murderers, others who were also charged ...) but I have decided to simplify with the most probable data and that I consider good .. .
My opinion in this regard is that it was them, but that there should have been more people involved ... (maybe family members of them, maybe some kind of pedophile, vicious or someone with power .....).
Pluto appears everywhere, in fact who discovered the corpses was a beekeeper. Symbolically bees and cypresses are related to Pluto.

I consider the following article very well written and well documented in case you want to follow the whole story of this case.

https://unresolved.me/the-alcasser-…

Astro-Seek.com » Marc Sales System message: Post has been written by user hh, who already deleted profile on this website:
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okay, yeah i deleted my post quickly because i thought after you may have been using progressed charts.

but those conflicting birth dates are definitely annoying.

im gonna watch the documentary about this case on netflix tonight. that may get me in the mood to digging up more.

Marc Sales » hh There is a lot of variation regarding the data of both murderers ... the police data and the family data never coincided ..
 
Angles is born in Brazil, which adds even more confusion ...

I worked, as far as I remember, with at least three songs from it.
In these hanging data I represent my analysis, since the cards coincide with solar revolutions, progressions and especially transits !!! and links with each other ...

But they may include mistakes overlooked by me ... I am not infallible

Marc Sales A famous case here in Spain and much discussed in the media occurred in 1992, is the so-called "Crimes of Alcàsser"
Three teenagers disappeared together on November 13, 92 when they were going to a disco. Miriam, Toñi and Desirée.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… (English)
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/… (more extensive in Spanish)


1) The disappearance of the girls was on 13 / XI / 92, here it is for the Sun / Pluto conjunction the next day.
https://imgur.com/zkf4gYw

2) This data would correspond to the time of the broken clock (11:10) that they found in one of the victims (is Toñi?)
https://imgur.com/FNtBfB9

3) "Coup de grace", according to information from one of them that says it happened at 9 am. after all night of abuse.
https://imgur.com/DtpPplv

4) Police notification to parents that the bodies of the girls appeared ("Diario La Vanguardia". 28/1 p. 17)
https://imgur.com/mY7fQOw

5) Alleged murderer. Antonio Angles.
According to a police file (According to Civil Guard data) that appeared on TV "We crossed the Mississippi"; improbable hour (but… extraordinary subject, see Venus, Mars and Sun)(his father was a plumber)
https://imgur.com/lUrXeu1

6) One of the murdered girls. Toñi. (Data from the Civil Registry)
https://imgur.com/JSF47zC

7) Beekeeper discoverer of the corpses (improbable hour)
https://imgur.com/VRh8eVj

8) Time at which the corpses were found by the Beekeeper.
"… They saw 1 arm protruding with 1" silver "watch is + or - the time that the beekeepers declared (... curious Luna)"
https://imgur.com/qw4yPTn

9) Another girl. Miriam Garcia
(Data provided from the book, time of R. L. R.C.?)
https://imgur.com/5Yzemb2

10) Alleged murderer. Miguel Ricart
(In this there are already the corrections, see for the 14 / XI / 92 the progressions. As well as the previous R.S.)
https://imgur.com/XBIgzrj

11) The other girl killed. Desirée Hernandez
https://imgur.com/HsNZrDJ
If I remember correctly it is the girl they found with the severed head of her body (Aries and Pluto)

I must say that I sent in his day (a year or two after the bodies were found) an extensive report to Miriam García´s father, of which I received no response ... I did not want to continue with this turbulent and macabre case, in which even different and corrupt authorities have been involved ...
The case can still be followed through articles, videos and other information on the Internet (via Google) "Alcàsser Case"

fishscales » hh "I see chiron sometimes acting not as the wounded healer, but if manifested negatively, as the wounded wounder. hurt people hurt others."

I´d have to agree with that...

They would probably hurt others in a manner that corresponded with their Chiron placement too...

Classic case of "if I have to feel this way, so does everyone else"...

One can see how that attitude combined with Sun and Pluto could be problematic...

IIyyaarr13 I thought it was important enough to copy serial killer criteria into my 2000 to 2050 Ephemeris and then my 21st century Ephemeris was stolen! Which was why I started looking up the current day at Astro-Seek when Astro-Seek was smaller!
731 days after Affirmative Action was signed into law, Colonel Russell Williams was born, and no houses or Ascendant for Affirmative Action either!

Leo Moon I’ve wanted to kill this bastard for years......for scratching my gums!!

Astro-Seek.com System message: Post has been written by user hh, who already deleted profile on this website:
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during williams crimes 2009-10, transit pluto was inconjunct his natal mars and as it got tighter so did the crimes. he was also experiencing his half way nodal return (transit north node on his natal south) which also happens to be on his mars-venus opposition axis.

chris watts during his affair and leading up to the killings was ALSO experiencing a transit pluto inconjunct his natal mars. and the transit pluto was square his natal venus, amongst other heavy transits).

if one has the predispositions, watch out for transit pluto to natal mars, especially the inconjunct. this aspect has been proving to me the last year or so to be no minor aspect. its 8th aspect carries the energy of scorpio.

also chris watts wife was experiencing transit pluto to her natal sun amongst other aspects like transit saturn to her venus, etc.

Astro-Seek.com » fishscales System message: Post has been written by user hh, who already deleted profile on this website:
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yeah it is a tough aspect, but it is a generational one. BUT the fact that his sun is involved in the opposition, not only makes it personal for him, but the sun illuminates the aspect causing him to take bold action against the pain involved.

looks like r.kelly has this opposition as well, perhaps forcing ones pain on others. i see chiron sometimes acting not as the wounded healer, but if manifested negatively, as the wounded wounder. hurt people hurt others.

fishscales Hard to get a good read with no houses...

The Chiron/Pluto opposition stuck out to me though...

This article doesn´t offer traditional interpretations, but lists a bunch of phrases and sentences that can be associated with certain aspects... I thought the first one was interesting for Chiron/Pluto, as it pertains to this situation:

https://astrofix.net/chiron-pluto-a…

Astro-Seek.com » Marc Sales System message: Post has been written by user hh, who already deleted profile on this website:
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yeah the mars opposite venus is crucial, and its along the nodal axis further amplifying the desire nature.

i also have a theory that men, especially rather masculine men, tend to have a hard time with north node in maternal cancer. but then again he joined the military, to serve and protect the home land.

im also seeing lilith square the node.

uranus inconjunct venus: strange desire nature

chiron/sun oppose pluto (nearly has mars opp saturn, 12 deg orb)

his sun is 8th from his moon

no birth time but possible moon inconjunct chiron. i should see if i can find any info on the relationship with his mother.

Nani Lei » hh your right though, chris watts body language breakdown from both the interrogation and the police body cam is almost entertaining.
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The first thing the officer asked him was where he came from...and in the back of his truck...was a shovel Everyone knew he was guilty; the wife’s best friend, son and his neighbor. He is the worst breed of murderer. How could you kill your own daughters and pregnant wife? I just can’t wrap my head around it. I haven’t seen his chart...yet...

Nice to meet you, btw. Dare not step in an interrogation room with us

Nani Lei » Marc Sales Yes, those are not helpful either. I think there is something to be said about a predator’s double life. Most hide in plain sight...

Astro-Seek.com » Nani Lei System message: Post has been written by user hh, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Yes im very familiar with chris watts and his chart and ive watched everything on youtube i could get my hands on. i also did a study on the transits during the time of his affair and leading up to the actual murders, as well as the synastry between him and his wife and the transits going on at the time with his wife as well. i havent been able to get a dob of nichole kessinger though.
very fascinating, at least to me, haha.

your right though, chris watts body language breakdown from both the interrogation and the police body cam is almost entertaining.

Marc Sales » Nani Lei Nani ... you forgot to show the most bad and accurate aspects of that topic: Mars opposition Venus, Uranus opposition Mercury, Pluto opposition Sun, Moon opposition Saturn, Neptune square to Saturn and Moon, and surely some more ...

Nani Lei » hh Yes, a guilty pleasure

I agree, he did a phenomenal job with getting that confession. Not to mention, Williams wore the same boots he committed the crime in...to the interrogation! If the shoe fits...

Thank you for sharing the link. I will check it out.

Btw, have you seen the Chris Watts confession? There are two videos: one of a detective responding to a 911/missing person and his confession. If you like to study body language, take a look...

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yes, one of my guilty pleasures: researching the charts of serial killers. hahah

i also love interrogation videos for the purpose of body language breakdown and psychology. do you follow ´jim cant swim´ on youtube? he does a video on colonel williams and shows how the interrogator does a phenomenal job in getting williams to confess. the same guy also helps in the interrogation of another famous canadian killer, but not as successful in getting a confession.

https://www.youtube.com/watch/…