Chiron and Neptune: two choices inside the Matrix

January 5, 2020 at 16:56 (UT/GMT)
(Sagittarius) Steve Guesshow
Chiron and Neptune: two choices inside the Matrix
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I would like to say something about Chiron and confront this archetype with the archetype of Neptune, which is something in common to him: it also refers to the unity and interconnections of all beings - but on the other hand, it stands in stark contrast to it . I would like to focus on this contrast, because it can be illustrated by something fundamental that is now taking place in our psyche and also outer world. I will build on my experiences with systemic constellations on these astrological archetypes over the last few years.

Osho points out to the common etymological root of words in English: heal / whole / holy (heal / whole / saint). This sound-picturesque core is close to Chiron: in the sense that Chiron is something that tries to "get us into this state of healing" integrity. Before this happens, however, it is necessary to pay attention to our injuries, pain, complex, trauma - which is a challenging process and requires a willingness to reopen at the level of experiencing what we have been carrying in us for a long time, but it is "encapsulated" in us.

To better imagine, I use the "splinter" metaphor. We´ve got somewhere under the skin, but over time we´ve managed to "wrap it up" so well that we don´t usually know about it anymore; we do not perceive it, we do not see it; as if it were in the place of our "blind spot"; is out of our field of view. We are extremely sensitive in this area - and insensitive at the same time, as if unbendable, unadaptable. (I recommend studying the article on complexes). This state of "encapsulation" allows us to survive, but it does not allow us to live fully, as a large chunk of energy is bound in this "splinter" and defense system that masks and protects it. This injury is always somehow associated with our emotions and especially the body.

Let´s imagine that we now have two options to deal with it. Like when Morpheus from the Matrix shows up in front of us and offers us two pills: red and blue. One option is Chiron and the other is Neptune.

Chiron is harder: it means reopening your sensitivity and attention to your injured part, thereby completing the healing and finishing process. It requires courage and determination to bear the pain associated with it. This decision means: no matter who I am, no matter what happened to me, I will look the truth in my face again, I will not move the sight. If I´m bleeding, I want to see blood. If I´m crying, I want to see tears. Only a true sight will set me free. I´m not going to hide my head under the pillow from this pain. I´m not going to grow a mask and a fake smile "that everything´s fine." This requires deep confidence in the running of things, a kind of dionysos acceptance of everything-always-everywhere: giving a great YES to everything, to yourself and to the world without exception - including what may have once ripped our hearts out of our chests. There is also a great humiliation (of ego) in it: I do not have everything under control, much of the world ´s events (such as birth, death and falling in love) are beyond my control. I´m just human. (That was the real meaning of the inscription above the Delf wreath: ´Know yourself´ -´Gnóthi seauton´). I recognize that I´m just a man, slight, in the great order of the world. I know I´m not a god, I can´t play I am like gods. The gods (like the heroes in the tragedy) teach me a lesson - and I accept it.

The second option is Neptune. It´s easier. It means: cover your pain, your wounds, lock it into a thousand westerns, and bury the key to it and forget where. That´ll be safer. And then: create a beautiful harmonious illusion of the world. Your bubble, your matrix. And be in it and live. Just like millions of people around you. You´ll have a smile. Hold hands with them, talk about love, god, faith, unity. Create your paradise. Swallow the pink ibuprofen tablet and everything will be fine. If we were to remember one word to understand the practical impact of Neptune: it´s a "bubble." Pink bubble, where we are well, where real problems, sensations and feelings that "do not suit us", do not touch us. To do this, however, it is usually necessary to exclude our body from the field of vision. In a purely mental sphere, we generate an artificial (Neptune) world into which we escape.

What forms this Neptune world has:

pharmaceutical industry (we swallow powder soothing our pain)
the film industry (romantic and dramatic stories filling the empty space that occurs when we are disconnected from our real feelings and physicality); hollywood, bollywood, soap operas, re-delusions, etc.
a world of emotional dramas (intense, contrasting to hysterical emotions, sadomasochistic relationship games, etc., replacing a kind of void if the heart is paradoxically locked - see article on the Little Mermaid)
the world of pornography
spiritual worlds (eso, Christianity, new age...) - that it is an illusory unity we know according to the presence of "devil", something here is called NO, whether it be body, sexuality, consumption of meat: something must be rejected so that we can feel better over neptune "uplift". people; the world is not accepted with everything)
ideology (communism, fascism, Christianity, etc...) that replaces real spiritual needs (ideology takes the form of mental structures and suppresses some part of the authentic spectrum of experience; again, there is some devil - who is the supposed enemy)
digital technologies and our immersion in them (computer games, tablets, virtual online worlds and dating sites, facebook)
the narcissistic bubble of perfect exterior and abnormal slenderness (perfect forms) creating (especially in women) feelings of guilt and feelings of inferiority (fashion, female magazines); [Christopher Lasch: The Narcissistic Personality of Our Time].
world of media: printed matter, magazines, a tabloid creating suggestive images (e.g. alleged threats and disasters)
nostalgic time bubble bringing the illusion of security and security ("the Communists were better")
creation of national and personal myths in which we reside ("Slavic dove nature")
drugs (alcohol, tobacco and all drugs at all that make the leak)
return to the uterus (womb = matrix); dreaming of embryonic unity with the mother (Stanislav Groff´s BPM1 concept ); this condition, e.g. reportedly approaching the effect of heroin; desire for instant nirvana

All these escape worlds have in common this: perfection is more in them than realness.

Something white, exalted and perfect is accepted - and something (dark, imperfect, animal, shadowy, painful) is rejected: it is left to exist exclusively outside our "bubble". It´s usually explored by an outside enemy (the Communists had a mandelinka, a beetle of imperialists, Nazi had Jews, Christians had the devil and witch, The American estabilishment had Osama Bin Laden, Bin Laden had evil American imperialists, etc.). The guru must be perfect; The doctor can´t afford to say "I don´t know." (The extreme form of Neptune whites can be found in the need to bleach the opening in aesthetic surgery).

For immersion in these virtual worlds and self-oblivion in them we are willing to pay outrageous money. The economy of many concerns, churches, organizations and states is largely driven by the demand for something like this (creating artificial needs). They need us injured, burdened, traumatized, ourselves, the world and the body unacceptable, and at this stage of hibernation (in the way of the Matrix), where we are disconnected from our real feelings, sensations and needs, they have us in the interest to keep us as long as possible. Children in totalitarian regimes are soon taken prematurely from their mothers´ breasts to be uprooted and easily manipulated by the ruling ideology in adulthood. Pharmaceutical companies are not interested in to discharge your injuries, but to keep you in a position of still a sick and paying client. Some therapeutic and spiritual directions can be misused to shape addiction to the therapist (guru). (To do this, I recommend an article on the mapping of guilt and on the old and new paradigm in).

In a state of disconnection, a feeling of emptiness arises: we need to feed it, slap the aforementioned Neptune worlds.

Neptune unity means: unity with ideal (mentally - figurative structure). This leads to conflicts and wars with other Neptune factions - beliefs that are perceived as hostile.

Chiron unity means unity withthe existence of everything as it is . There is no enemy here, everything is part of holistic unity. As Zorba the Greek says, "God - the cunning devil!"

Age of Pisces and Age of Aquarius

Before I offer you a few paintings from our culture that allow us to better imagine Neptune and Chiron, I will mention the so-called age of Pisces and the Age of Aquarius.

In simple terms, this is a symbolic expression of a spiritual paradigm that has dominated the atmosphere of collective ignorance for about two thousand years (the so-called Platonic Year). Pisces - Fishes are a sign of duality (one fish floats up, the other down). It is possible that during the age of Pisces (from the birth of Christ to today) the fish paradigm (Neptune is the ruler of Pisces) has its deep authenticity, functionality and validity: identification with ideal and divine pattern - Christ, Buddha, etc.) can inspire and uplift us, to dwell, to bring us to consciousness, etc. (In the climactic gothic, we are probably authentically connected to each other and by culture by worshipping religious images). But the shadow impact of this kind of evolution of consciousness is that a bunch of rejected (one that is not in line with ideal) falls under the table and begins to neurotize us from within. (That´s fish duality).

However, with the gradual and simultaneous transition of the spiritual paradigm from Pisces to Anatomy, the functionality of other principles (originality, multi-perspective truth, networking, individuality, equality without hierarchies, uniqueness, light of consciousness as if glowing and vibrating everywhere and through all the previous singular light "somewhere at the top" or in an imaginary singular divine center inthe middle of the circle ). Fish says: behind all the duality is only one God, one truth, one perfection. (And she´s already riding a horse to convince those damn infidels on the other side of this truth). And the rebel Aquarius says: WTF?! I´m right - you´re right. We are all connected, the center of being is in the heart of each of us. If I accept myself, I can enrich the world with my special unique frequency, which synchronizes (pours) with the frequency you pour in again. I teach you, and you teach me, we don´t need any more gurus. Get the joint, buddy, and get off the horse- let´s dance.

They say the age of Aquarius first reported with the hippie era.

This gradual transition (when both paradigms still overlap like lithospheric plates) can take hundreds of years (as with the gradual decline of the Roman Empire) and creates considerable chaos in our society, with the new slowly starting to apply, while the old ones still don´t completely pay, but it´s extinguished and trying to inertia preserve itself - it kicks it for survival). The new light bulb lights up and the old one goes out.

Perhaps phenomena like Facebook can benefit from the current action of both paradigms (narcissism, an effort to convey an idealized image of itself + network connectivity, individualism).

Now to the paintings of Neptune and Chiron in our culture.

Once upon a time in West

As for Neptune, I would offer you as an illustration of the "most film-making" film of all time: Once upon a time in west (the essence of the film is communicated by images and music rather than by the story itself). The word "back then" takes us into the Neptune Empire (nostalgic eternity, eternal timelessness). Ennio Morricone´s epic music and big-screen footage - there´s no need to discuss this. I just want to mention a few details.

In this story, neptune character is the limp tycoon Dr. Morton ("Mr. Train"). In his quarters is a picture of the sea, which he likes to look and dream. When he dies at the end of the film, he falls his head into a puddle, and we hear a strange splash of the sea on the audio track again. Somewhat irrational (not very logical or necessary) detail, but confirming his Neptune identity.

I don´t want to be someone who fits into a role where I tell you,"what the movie is about" (I don´t dare) but I offer that (as a banal and simplistic) point of view, in which I feel that all Sergio Leone´s films are like a boyish recollection of a big adventure where the world was still being roamby big men and valiant heroes. And this "Mr. Wolf" is as if a caricature that says: one day our world will be dominated by these ailing (unmanly) calculating Neptune tycoons - and then it will be worth the old slipper. Then we´ll have no choice but to dream of great stories and goodness - on big canvases.

Pluto´s figure is the villain Frank, portrayed by the charismatic Henry Fonda in the West. (Sergio Leone clearly holds him in, for he will be the only one to get femme fatale - Claudia Cardinale - who actually like a treachesh voluntarily submits to him). Frank has been cooperating with Mr. Train for a long time (as long as he needs him; then he likes to get rid of him). This power dyad Of Pluto - Neptune will manifest itself in our every day reality, for example. so when capitalist tycoon and politician Babiš (Pluton figure) buys newspapers and media (Neptune). This causes such accumulation of power that it is almost indestructible (the gradual sloping of the dictatorship begins). Similar situations: Hitler (Pluto) devotes his verna to the Slime Minister of Propaganda (Goebbels / Neptune). Vladimir Putin (Pluto) controls Russian state television and media (Neptune). (Vladimir Putin, by the way, has Pluto on mc as well as Sergio Leone and hold on - just like Henry Fonda. Pluto on MC means we want us to play a plutonium power role in our careers).

This certainly does not exhaust the secrets of the film Back in the West; I just wanted to use it as an illustration of the cooperation of the Neptune and Plutone archetype, because this symbiotic dyade is often repeated in the real world.

Sometimes together in the triad with the archetype of Jupiter, which now in real form represents the world of lawyers, politicians, doctors and academic scholars - formerly rather church dignitaries (bishops and cardinals). These are those who create ideas and laws in force in that company and as if they are fighting each other for warm "instituté" chairs (where they do not want to let anyone else go). The overgrown triumph of Pluto (oligarchy), Neptune (ideological propaganda) and Jupiter (legislators, priests, judges, scholars) form as the backbone of a totalitarian society. Therefore, a healthy and mature democracy seeks to separate these forms of power and to ensure the greatest possible transparency of their translations. The problem occurs when pharmaceutical companies (Pluto + Neptune) finance scientific research or financially reward doctors for prescribing those drugs (Jupiter).

Another illustration of neptune world could be the Czech film How to drown Dr. Mráček or The End of Watermen in Bohemia (1974). Waterman is (mainly in slavic countries) kind of water spirit, supernatural being, which drowns people and collects their little spirits. The world of water people is interpreted here as a metaphor for narcissistic isolation.

The parallel between the narcissism of the individual and today´s culture and the "Neptune bubble" related to the neurotic need for perfection that obscures real injury is huge. I have experienced many times in constables that the indestructibility of the "Neptune bubble" is directly proportional to the intensity of the injury it protects. Her dissolution is far from anything easy and obvious. (From the outside, from the observer position, the situation always appears clearer and easier. But inside it, we´re like unconscious and groping. You can´t imagine how scary is the fog of unfidelity, blinding and confusion inside the bubble.)

And the client himself must decide to dissolve the bubble, dare to it. Dare to the truth at the bottom of your story. Dare swallow the other pill.

Then the bubble can melt, disappear, burst - and see our eyes.
He loves and accepts our hearts.
Our body knows what it needs.
Naturally, without the need for translation.

And our Neptune is here again for us in its true form - like a collapse of imagination, beauty and creative truths, like poésis. As an understanding of images. And no triumvists can bind us anymore. They become transparent.

I will leave one of the most powerful moments in world cinema without interpretation. But I´ll offer you a question: if something like this happened to you, what option do you choose? 1) forget and dream of a nicer reality (Neptune), 2) to remember and relive it and forgive (Chiron), 3) to avenge yourself, to retaliate with your wounds? (And Sergio Leone will make a movie about you.) Congratulations, you just chose your option inside the matrix. The part you control. You don´t have the fact that Pluto will imprint the accordion into your mouth (as well as birth, love and death). You´re just human. By the way, combining 1 and 3 (being an injured victim, but to solve it by locking yourself in to ideology) creates great fundamentalist martyrs and terrorists.

Two images of sacrifice and transcendence: Christ and Dionysos

The image of Christ tortured on the cross says: your suffering is a virtue, cultivate your wounds, makes you exclusive and morally superior. Be clean, be perfect. Following my divine pattern, you will be perfect, and you will be perfect. But you have to disconnect from your lower nature, suppress your sexual impulses, cut yourself off from body perception, it´s all impure. Stake your bottom half and you will be a god, an angel, a pure perfect entity. You will pick up your reward outside this world in heaven. This is a purely Neptune (escape and propaganda) image that (usually) does not lead to a cessation, cure. On the contrary, he creates a sense of guilt in man, for his imperative is humanly impossible. As a result of the action of this image, the Western man cultivated higher chakras, while the lower ones were left at the same stage of development as two thousand years ago. Jung interprets collective Nazi hysteria in the German nation in this context: germanic atavisms still deep-seated beneath the sugar candelabra of Christianity on the surface have been dug up. The animal woke up. It has garnered bloody retribution for hundreds of years of repression and hypocrisy.

By contrast, the image of Dionysus says: accept your suffering, over which you are not, and you cannot have control, and this acceptance at the bottom of your soul will turn it into wine flowing from your veins, the wine of ecstasy and love from which the whole existence drinks. Dionysus encourages surrender to an existence that shapes us, which is greater than us, but which is at the same time earthly and material, which requires courage, courage, heart rate. Dionysus and his treasure belong to the land. It´s close to chiron wisdom. In accepting suffering is eventually healing and ecstasy. Great YES to life as it is. Including the animal in us, including sexuality. If everything "bottom in us" is blessed, it is allowed to grow and rise upwards. If basic energy is perceived as pure and innocent, it can grow to infinity.

The Hunchback of Notre Dame

If we´d like to imagine some chiron image,let´s imagine Quasimodo. He´s ugly, hunched, disfigured, almost deaf, unloved, living away from people and afraid to come out. In a similar position is our reprehensible Chiron injury.

Quasimodo lives in the Notre Dame in Paris, which is of course a real place. This place is full of love, the beautiful female energy of "Our Lady" (Notre dame), a woman´s aspect of God. The center of the temple stands on an important ley-line line (as if the earth´s energy meridian), so the temple here was built by someone who was able to feel this place and its significance. (This makes this cathedral unique, although it is not one of the largest or most complex). In this place, Quasimodo is hidden from the eyes of the world at the behest of Archyahna Froll, who "took him" (Jupiter-Saturnic figure: doctor of law, medicine, theology and art) and who coldly imprisoned him here (hid, buried, locked, encapsulates: let no one see him).

Frollo loves the beautiful gipsy Esmerada (archetype Lilith), but his love does not reciprocate, and Frollo will give her a cold execution. The angry Quasimodo, who loves Esmeralda unhappily, then kills his foster carer Froll.

Quasimodo, something monstrous and unloved, is actually hidden in the very heart of the city, in the very seat of love. Quasimodo, suffering and vainly loving, heartfelt and courageous, is the inverse opposite of a narcissistic image that is perfect but cool, empty and heartless. Narcissism doesn´t love, and even though he´s loved (fairy Echó), he doesn´t feel anything.

Quasimodo encapsulated in the Temple of Love is a paradox in itself. It resembles a pearl encapsulated in a hard shell. (Encapsulation is as if Saturn´s protection process, through which we do not feel what is inside the complex). The pearl, a pearly structure, is formed around the grain (which sometimes penetrates into the shell) to protect the soft living organism.

I want to illustrate the Chiron - Neptune process in these paintings.

We can´t accept an injury at first, and that´s why we´re going to "wrap it up" so we don´t feel it. Thanks to this, at some stage of our development we will survive, we are able to move on. (It´s not "wrong" that it happened, it´s a natural life process). But then there will come a time when our attention will turn back to us and what we´ve been carrying all along. With this accepting attention, we begin to feel and understand our injured part (Quasimodo). We allow him to come out again. But maybe it takes time, maybe it can´t be done suddenly. Perhaps we have to sift and touch it from many sides in the long run, patiently and gently, like the sand in the river, where golden nuggets appear here and there. A similar process makes our wounds and complexes treasures (pearls) containing wisdom, wisdom, understanding, glazing, deep acceptance of ourselves and our entire story, where everything is recognized just as it was, without the need to narcissisticly cut it and in perfect form.

As we accept Quasimodo and allow him to be what he is (without the need to look for the culprit behind it), the more we are in accepting the whole world and all the gruesome and unkind aspects in it. The more we accept and love other people - exactly what they are now, without the need to change them, to steal them, mengelian in their conception to transform them into a "perfect aryan." For the love resulting from our healing does not require perfection. He accepts everything as he is and can´t love, as a spring can´t flow. He doesn´t need to make claims, make a condition, rejoices in being that already is. Likewise, the Earth behaves. He welcomes with unconditional love our actions, whether we are Buddha or Hitler; does not judge, judge.

Chiron is such an archetype that can be expressed by a pair of quasimodo/notre dame paintings. It´s injury and healing. Healing with a pearl. Healing that turns into love and healing. That´s why the Chirons call themselves an injured healer.

In the stage of healing, cessation, wholeness - we do not need (escape) neptune worlds: we do not live after them, for our real needs can be fulfilled, our true thirst can be extinguished.

"I am not much of a religious person, I am not a saint, I have nothing to do with spirituality. All those categories are irrelevant about me. You cannot categorize me, you cannot pigeonhole me. But one thing can be said, that my whole effort is to help you release the energy called love-intelligence. If love-intelligence is released, you are healed." (Osho)

I will freely translate only the last sentence of Oshov: "If the energy I call love-intelligence is released, you are healed."

Chiron in systemic constellations

The forms of Chiron in constellations are diverse. If it works with its injured aspect, there are stressful situations (symbolic stories) on the way of bullying, abuse, burning, perversion, disfigurement, etc. (as if the situation abnormal and beyond ethical acceptability) - therefore, I seemed to "compress" these images in quasimodo´s image for clarity.

As an integrated or integrated aspect of ourselves, Chiron takes the form of a shaman quantum healer who has abilities beyond the limits of our current imagination. It´s strangely small and strangely huge. It is customizable well connected with our instincts and animal parts and force animals (therefore it is portrayed as a Centaur). It is connected to the planet Earth / Gaia, and at the same time with something holistic, cosmically universal and ego-transcendating. Ego-based psychology doesn´t seem to be able to capture it with its grid well enough. So is astrology. Chiron doesn´t fit into our concepts and will always behave a little differently than we expect.

In the Chiron process, the constellation melts as if the "Saturn wall" that separated us from feeling - which makes the constellation as if it were going, just as it would flow, stir the flow of energy and emotion within the client - and a new way of protection is usually born: for example, the flow of energy and emotion within the client. there are force animals such as a wolf or fox that teach the client a new, instinctive, fully sensory and dynamic way of protecting them in the environment in which he lives.

Taptap´s lightening music video illustrates the difficulty of accepting the Chiron archetype into our official grid. Bus director/deacon Frollo - it doesn´t matter. His ecstaticly irregular elliptic orbit (in which it crosses both Saturn and Uranus) is extremely suspicious! Why can´t he circle in a perfect circle?! Thanks to this eccentricity, Chiron resides in various zodiac signs for different times (it is the longest in the ram and fish) - see below.

Chiron in zodiac signs

Yet, in the end, I will offer in a brief a few examples of what topics Chiron may be related to when it comes to its position in the sign at the time of our birth. (These are actually generational topics that are probably addressed by all your classmates, which can be closely monitored at class meetings.)

Chiron in Aquarius (1955-1968, 2005-2010).. The feeling that I do not belong to this company, in this collective. Feelings of exclusion versus effort to fit into the group. A significant need for originality (vary) versus conformity. Illustrative film: The World by Prota. Philosophers with this position: J.J. Rousseau, R. Steiner, E. Husserl, J. Patočka)
Chiron in Pisces (1960-1968, 2010-2019). Feelings about the "God, why did you leave me?". Personal feelings of injustice and injustice in relation to God or the order of space. How could this happen to me? How could God let that happen? Feelings of god-rejected. In the absence of integration of militant atheism, skepticism, cold irony, existentialism, nihilism. In integration, in understanding how the whole thing was then with the alleged injustice, faith, trust in God, order, greater sense - whatever we call it, is restored. There´s a turn in faith. Philosophers with this position: K. Marx, B. Engels, S. A. Kierkegaard (talking about the "leap of faith"), A. Camus (a revolting Stranger in dying priest sorority does not need faith), but also Martin Luther (!) (I mention philosophers for interest, because it seems to me that their internal trauma somehow readily translates into their philosophy, which I do not diminish in any way.) This includes, by the way, the 1918 Czechoslovak Horoscope as an illustrative "Czech atheism".
Chiron in Aries (1968-1977). Questioning the coming into the world, the right to its existence, the rights at all to be, the fundamental will, the desire to live and choose something for yourself. Feeling that I´m not OK, that there´s something deeply wrong with me, that having an ego is somehow wrong. On the outing, however, this can be obscured by spectacularly narcissistic self-esteem. (Chiron is not able to know by the external signs of behavior, these can be diverse. For the same internal cause, everyone invents a unique method of reaction and compensation.) Reactions can be from the extreme: I sacrifice myself only to others as a hooking ambulance, my ego has no value - to extreme egoism and recklessness; the hand as if oscillating between these extremes until integration is reached. Then the energy of the ram archetype can flow naturally. I´m OK - you´re OK. Philosophers: M. Gandhi, Novalis, B. Spinoza, I. Kant, M. Montessori. (In gandhi´s example, you can see this contradiction in his invention of satyagraha - a path of nonviolence, but there is a debate about how he tormented and dogned his wife. He was also extremely passionate in sexuality - or lived in celibacy. These fluctuations are typical if we can´t integrate the energy of a given name - because of the cheiron influence.)
Chiron in Taurus (1977-1983). Failure to accept (distance from) matter, body, money, boundaries, emotional needs, my place in the world (where do I materially, earthly belong?); eating disorders. The extremes are between hedonism and austerity, nothing ownership and hamsters ("mine!", "what right do I have?"). Spiritual as an escape from matter. Men, for example, are in the rather than establish families (or at a later age) so that they do not have to worry about the material provision of the family; women, on the other hand, are looking for partners at all costs secured (rather in another Generation of Chiron), based on extreme insecurity in this area. When integrating, the taurus archetype is experienced more flexibly, pervausically, capable. Philosophers: Egon Bondy (interpreting Europeans indian teachings, where they work with the illusion of matter - "mayy"), P. K. Dick (author of dystopian sci-fi Blade Runner, where people collectively leave the Earth), H. P. Blavatská (founder of thetheosophilic society), J. A. Comenius (constantly looking for his physical place and home in the world); Albert Einstein (Cheirón conjuncture Neptune: in his famous formula E=mc on the other he saw matter as energy.)
Chiron in Leo (1940-43, 1991-93). The feeling that I can´t fully manifest myself because it prevents me from shy, self-confidence. Feeling that I am not appreciated enough and recognized for my uniqueness. It is sought "the possibility of free, without fear or guilt, to sing your song." (Lass). Reaction: I overly seek to be in the spotlight, impress in public, do anything to finally be recognized - or the other extreme: I alternately ashamed of everything and hide from the world and experience a sense of worthlessness. Escape: I prefer not to show myself (creatively) at all (so that no one will criticize me). The solution begins with the courage to express myself while hijacking the mirror of the world that responds to me. In integration: I express my value, light, glow, spontaneous life force in a creative way. I´m looking forward to exactly what I am. I make out of gratitude and love - I return something to the universe. I´ve been gifted, so I endow. By being no longer ashamed, I inspire others to live their uniqueness and their gifts. Personalities: John Lennon, Frank Zappa, Lou Reed, Jimi Hendrix, Vangelis; Goya, J. Redhead; Terri Gilliam, J.R.R. Tolkien; Václav Klaus, W.S. Churchill. (I have not found any famous philosophers with this position in the database).
Conjunct Chiron and Mercury: Bohumil Hrabal, Jaroslav Hašek, Jan Werich (who has spoken to Haskova Švějkbrava!), Zděněk Štěpánek - but also Miloš Zeman. (A kind of archetype of a folk saint, a prankster. Playing with words. Healing with words / injuring words. Apparently, the shuffled expression of this archetype must be Švejk!). Furthermore: Jan Saudek, J.K.Tyl (Švanda Dudák) and Jiří X. Doležal.
Chiron and Saturn´s boom: Božena Němcová, Franz Kafka. (As if more serious and existentially distressing topics related to saturn´s injury. Kafka in the Castle seems to describe a clash with Saturn´s authority/sovereignty - but at the same time prevents it from getting into a living connection with something divine/vertical, which we are looking for, so there is a huge frustration. German, on the other hand, depicts sovereignty and old age in a more idyllic, more prosperous light, as if trying to wrap up this frustration with a fairytale wrap).
Chiron and Venus: Jacques Brel, Charles Baudelaire, Wiliam Blake, František Gelner, Friedrich Nietzsche. ("The Cute Anima", high artistic and aesthetic sensitivity, bohemianism).
Chiron and Luna: Victor Hugo (author of The Bell from The Mother of God), Václav Havel, Erich Fromm, Martin Buber, Fritjof Capra.

These are, of course, just brief examples of possible speeches.

Under what circumstances does the Neptune archetype work properly?

Neptune, of course, is not something apriori negative. Like any archetype, it has its bright and shadowy forms.

The over-excited Neptune manifests itself in the constellation field as an all-encompassing water (swamp, or fog), which makes it impossible to adequately function with the remaining astrological archetypes. They then drown and turn off the field, switching to passivity and topornism, and the yang (active, fiery) component is suppressed in the personality.

To return Neptune to its functional form, it is usually necessary to take responsibility for his life on the part of the client and as if to re-squeeze the reins into his own hands. (Sometimes also integrate the sun, Saturn and the element of earth). Neptune then seems to "shrink" from everything flooding the sea to one point, and from the fog it seems to become a "laser beam" of creativity that is targeted and one is not controlled by it, but has it under control and available as a conductor with his wand or painter his brush. In this positive form, Neptune is an archetype of fantasy, inspiration, fertility, empathy and tender love for all the living. It is the atmosphere of home, the essence of femininity, the beauty of movement. It is related to the ability to let things happen to themselves, let everything flow without the need for control (letting go).

"No tree can grow into heaven until its roots below touch hell," says Jung in Aion.

This sentence actually illuminates the circumstances under which the Neptune function works properly. If we are well seated below, in the body, in the pelvis, in the earth, in matter, then our ability to touch the stars, our connection and tuning works naturally. I liken it to a well-grounded antenna: then you know what you´re tuning into and which TV channel is currently broadcasting. If a man is not grounded, then it´s like several stations running on one TV channel at the same time. Without grounding, one is more of a victim (puppet) of Neptune impulses (astral).

There´s no problem being chironically celice and rooting in the body - yet neptune flowing. There´s no contradiction. In this state, however, we are simple about any ideologies (no need to create them) and unity is not seen as an image and projection, but as a natural contact flow. There was no resistance to the "irreconcilable obstacle" associated with our injuries. We´ve been through hell before. The splinter was removed, washed out. All parts of Self are accepted. Neptune´s function can be used for artistic and visionary creativity.

Vojta Franče

Translated by Bing (and corrected a bit)

Original:… (in czech language)

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January 5, 2020 at 17:55
(Sagittarius) goldenlion32
I have Neptune in Sagittarius Trine Aries in Chiron intercepted in the 8th house of Pisces. Fortunately, this placement hear taught me a few different things.

Aries in Chiron is the key to the soul. Which is the Mental Process, brain injuries, Mental disorders, Mental Health, Belief systems, theories, and concepts.

This isn´t about just my wounding & healing. It is about being a former Nurse Aide, Mental Health Worker, Astrologer, Holistic Health Practicioner.

With the Sagittarius Chiron Parents with North Node Aries parents it comes down to their teachings in Addictions, Alcholism, Mental Health as they were also both counselors in different ways. Gathering information from them while being the pet project of their own wounding and healing of themselves and myself through their Aries/Scorpio relationships with others.

This has been my whole life being educated on Neptune or Pisces
Addictions, Alcholism, Abandonment, Abuse, and even what I call "Hell" Escapism (Suicide) Abandonment of Self and Abandonment of others. Since all your Mental Health individuals are technically escaping life, their reality, their emotional, mental, spiritual, physical, sexual, and financial pain.

When one is traumatized they escape with in their psyche and withdraw into the world they´ve created inside in the internal world.

You´d have to throw Mars (Aries) and (Scorpio) Pluto since what most are doing is warring with themselves internally and projecting to the external world the other person in the 7th house is the enemy.

Aries is the 1st house and of course Mars (Warring with self first), and obviously 8th house plays into because you´re in the home environment, and what are you fighting about in the home, but share resources in the 2nd/8th house axis.

Without the war, we wouldn´t need to escape so much in life.

Neptune in Sagittarius carries some karma dealing with gamblers, and of course the Sagittarius is obviously overly optimistic, wants to see the positive in everyone. I believe it´s basically learning to see through those for example with Mercury in Sagittarius who tend to be grey manipulators, great salesmen, and fortunately peeling away the lies and deception from the truth.

Neptune in Sagittarius opposition Moon in Taurus I believe is where I was wounded many times by most people when I was younger because I would believe in the best, but since Neptune in Pisces, it´s been quite fascinating it´s more like a revealer of the truth and taking the blind fold off since it started transiting and exposing everything from younger years.

Still there was a huge lesson with Neptune in Scorpio conjunct my Neptune in Sagittarius. Learning there is deception and lies there as well and there is certain lessons for each archetype.

Neptune in Sagittarius is more about seeing through belief systems, theories, concepts, ideas. Dealing with the karma of social media in my case and astrologers, psychics, entrepreneurs, sexuality, publishing, the writtern word, camera, audio, and the messages different groups are selling humanity.

While Neptune in Scorpio is seeing through things like sexual entertainment, the conditioning of society with sexuality and spirituality.

Neptune in Libra is really seeing through the government and politics and they´re probably just waking up to some stuff now or still sleeping. Some of it religion and spiritual teachings. Relationship issues as well.

For myself it´s a big joke to me in 2020 because when you´re brought up believing that people just get over addictions etc. lol They just exchange one for another. They really don´t always do the inner work.

Myself, I understand I can´t escape reality as much as other people around me. I am getting the back lash of this now because the last 10 years I´ve been doing a lot of changing where other people said oh I´ll just do it later and wanted to escape reality. And I didn´t know what I was talking about and they crazy one.

Now the Capricorn stellium is kicking them in the ass and of course "It´s all my fault" because they wanted to escape life.

I suppose I am more of a workaholic and always focusing on business stuff, but really they have told me it´s been escaping life. lol

Now I think this is where the Chiron comes in because Aries is a cardinal sign, and Squaring the Capricorn in my 6th house. It´s where you learn you get abused and wounded by others whether you´re out of Neptune or not.

There is split in those of us awakened and those waking up and of course they don´t want to hear the truth. So, you take the hits.

You have to know we all create our reality by what we focus on. We create and co-create the situation. Since you might be more matured in Neptune, it´s not easy for them to understand if they´re in what I want to say is the shadow side of Neptune.
January 5, 2020 at 17:08
(Libra) leorising
i have chiron opposite neptune... sometime it could have lot of pain...

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