Questions on measuring essential dignity

November 14, 2019 at 08:05 (UT/GMT)
(Gemini) Tobiwan
Questions on measuring essential dignity
1) What is worse: a peregrine planet or a planet which is in fall or detriment?
2) Can a planet at the same time be peregrine and in fall or peregrine and detriment?
3) Can a planet be in bounds and in fall at the same time?
4) Can a recently discovered planet (Neptune, Uranus, Pluto) be the most dominant in a natal chart?
5) Once i determined the most dominant planet, what insight do i get out of it?
6) I would like to determine the most powerful planet in my natal chart. How can i find it out on my own?

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November 16, 2019 at 17:13
(Taurus) IIyyaarr13 » Tobiwan
"Fall" is sometimes completely trumped! Were my Scorpio Moon balanced by Mars in Cancer then the two "Falls" would be cancelled out by a "mutual reception"
Somebody must be impersonating me because at no time did I declare "Fall is the most worst!"
Peregrine can only be when the four ´other conditions´ have been eliminated from consideration!
November 16, 2019 at 15:14
(Pisces) fishscales » Tobiwan
"I watched the youtube-video "How to Calculate the Ruler of the Natal Chart" which is provided by the user "The Scottish Astrologer". In that video, he gives minus four points for planets that are in fall and minus five points for planets that are detriment."

"Points" are not necessary to determine the chart ruler.

The chart ruler is the ruler of the ascendant, period.

Dominants are different. There are various methods people use to calculate them. You have to go with what seems right to you.

">>> 1: Fall is the most worst , then detriment and then a peregrine."

I agree with this progression as well, although I´ve heard of astrologers who consider planets in detriment to be worse than those in fall. I disagree.

I think the sign of exaltation is the best place for a planet to be. Planets are strong when they´re in their home sign, but exhibit their best possible qualities when in their sign of exaltation.

It´s true that Mars is strong in its home sign of Aries, but it´s going to exhibit its highest, most constructive qualities in the sign of its exaltation, Capricorn.

Likewise for detriment and fall. A planet in the sign opposite from its home sign (detriment) is going to be relatively weak, but it´s going to have an even harder time expressing its best qualities when in the sign opposite it´s exaltation sign (fall.)

It´s a matter of quality of expression vs quantity of strength.

Take the Mars in Aries vs Mars in Capricorn example again, and pretend they´re two guys ready to fight.

Mars in Aries may like to fight, and have alot of energy at its disposal to devote towards fighting...but Mars in Capricorn knows HOW to fight, as well as when to fight and when not to...ensuring a better, more efficient, and more productive use of that "fighting energy."


November 16, 2019 at 14:19
(Gemini) Tobiwan » IIyyaarr13
>>> 6 is here https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/d…
>>> There´s a dominant planet calkulator right here on Astroseek

I knew about that tool already. I don´t like it much. I tried other tools (AstroFox 0.8 and 12andus.com) and got different results: The first one says, Neptune is dominant in my natal chart. The second one says, Mercury is dominant and Jupiter is dominating. The third one says Venus is dominant.

>>> 1: Fall is the most worst , then detriment and then a peregrine.

I´m not so sure if you are right.

I watched the youtube-video "How to Calculate the Ruler of the Natal Chart" which is provided by the user "The Scottish Astrologer". In that video, he gives minus four points for planets that are in fall and minus five points for planets that are detriment.

So, according to that user, being in detriment is slightly worse than being in fall.


>>> 2: Yes. When a planet has no any aspect with others only.

In order to clarify the issue, I give an example: Mars is in an area between one degree and 28 degree in Libra. It is detriment (-5) and peregrine (-5). Would you give that planet now minus five or minus ten points?
November 15, 2019 at 06:54
(Taurus) IIyyaarr13
You might add several of the least challengeable parallels and contra-parallels to Astro-Seek´s Dominant´s listing if you think you have been shorted there!
Just a thought! :81:
November 15, 2019 at 00:46
(Pisces) fishscales
"5) Once i determined the most dominant planet, what insight do i get out of it?
6) I would like to determine the most powerful planet in my natal chart. How can i find it out on my own?"

Not sure about the distinction you´re making between "dominant" and "most powerful."

To me, they´re basically the same thing.

You´re dominant planet is the most powerful planet in your chart due to a combination of sign placement, house and/or angle placement, and how many planets it links to through aspect.

Like the name implies, the energies of the dominant planet are going to be, well...dominant...in your internal makeup.

There´s a dominant planet calculator right here on Astroseek which uses different methods, or qualifiers, to calculate the dominant planet(s) in your natal chart. What qualifiers you use is a matter of personal taste/philosophy.

I wouldn´t confuse dominant planet with "most important planet" however.

I think the ascendant ruler is the most important planet in the birth chart, especially with regards to transits, etc.
November 14, 2019 at 19:32
(Taurus) IIyyaarr13
At other websites the average subject has half a dozen peregrines; The Dominant´s listing here is pleasantly more upbeat than those other websites.
Our best educated Traditionalist here believes nothing at all about Neptune, Oeuroeunoeus, and dirty snowball Pluto. Magi Astrology is very conservative on many counts, however acknowledges the power of Pluto as being very profound and sometimes quite dominant!
November 14, 2019 at 15:50
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com
System message: Post has been written by user Helen.Pahlavi, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Dignity is when you have and give respect and worthiness to yourself and others. It´s really necessary and essential to do that.
November 14, 2019 at 15:10
(Aquarius) Avalon1
1: Fall is the most worst , then detriment and then a peregrine.
2: Yes. When a planet has no any aspect with others only.
3: Yes. For example: Saturn in 25to29 degrees of Aries.
4: Yes. As the experts know, they are upper harmonics of Venus,Mercury,Mars. In different situations, whether they are in their sign(Ura in Aq, Nep in Pis, Plu in Sco) or in detriment, or being(at night or day) underground or above the ground and in the male or female sign and ascending or falling in chart and... can be seen that they can also become the most dominant or "Almuten".
5: Nobody can do this.
November 14, 2019 at 09:44
(Taurus) Astro-Seek.com
System message: Post has been written by user MarvinReal, who already deleted profile on this website:
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Very good questions.
1,2,3,4,5 I don´t know. :2:
6 is here https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/d…

Further read
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/…
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/essentia…
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dignitie…
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig2.htm…
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig3.htm…
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig4.htm…
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig5.htm…
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/dig6.htm…

Wikipedia and astro-wiki is also useful source.

After reading it, take a test
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/quizdig.…

Of course, exaltation degrees and rulership were based on position in sidereal zodiac, not tropical. But nowhere they are telling you that. :3:


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