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Whole, Porfyry, Alcabitius...
May 18, 2022 at 02:47 (UT/GMT)

Whole, Porfyry, Alcabitius...
Hello everyone,
In my struggle to understand and study the three classical major bodies: Hyleg, Alcocoden, and Almuten, I´ve encountered a problem that I can´t think of or decide how to go around. So, I´m asking this for guidance if possible from people who worked with the classics.
My problem is that, I´ve always used the Whole Sign system (for both, Hellenistic, and Vedic of course) and when I started reading about the 3 points mentioned above, I initially worked and examined my chart in Whole Sign. However, it turned out that there might be a critical difference in the final result once I change the house system. I read in some texts that Dorotheus and Ptolemy could have used Porfyry specifically (though it is debatable it seems in the case of Ptolemy). Meanwhile, Al-Qabisi (Alcabitius) who is another classical resource for discussing such points, most probably used Alcabitius house system. Visually, Porfyry and Alcabitius on my chart are quite close, but the main issue here is that some planets (mainly my sun) is less than 5 degrees away from the cusp of 3rd house in both systems and that changes the whole consideration for the sun to be a hyleg for example (because in such systems it would be considered in 3rd house even though by calculation it is in the 2nd, and that makes it in cadent, and hence can´t be hyleg). Such rules are not there as far as I remember in whole sign system and when I follow the instructions of, for example, Al-Qabisi, my sun would be well suited for being a hyleg; But not when I use Alcabitius house system.
So between these options, I´m in a dilemma how to proceed. In fact, I´m not sure which method to use for finding the hyleg but maybe I´m inclined to Al-Qabisi which is quite similar to Dorotheus but with minor changes or extras maybe. Al-Qabisi also is the latest from the three I believe.
Any insight? Much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
In my struggle to understand and study the three classical major bodies: Hyleg, Alcocoden, and Almuten, I´ve encountered a problem that I can´t think of or decide how to go around. So, I´m asking this for guidance if possible from people who worked with the classics.
My problem is that, I´ve always used the Whole Sign system (for both, Hellenistic, and Vedic of course) and when I started reading about the 3 points mentioned above, I initially worked and examined my chart in Whole Sign. However, it turned out that there might be a critical difference in the final result once I change the house system. I read in some texts that Dorotheus and Ptolemy could have used Porfyry specifically (though it is debatable it seems in the case of Ptolemy). Meanwhile, Al-Qabisi (Alcabitius) who is another classical resource for discussing such points, most probably used Alcabitius house system. Visually, Porfyry and Alcabitius on my chart are quite close, but the main issue here is that some planets (mainly my sun) is less than 5 degrees away from the cusp of 3rd house in both systems and that changes the whole consideration for the sun to be a hyleg for example (because in such systems it would be considered in 3rd house even though by calculation it is in the 2nd, and that makes it in cadent, and hence can´t be hyleg). Such rules are not there as far as I remember in whole sign system and when I follow the instructions of, for example, Al-Qabisi, my sun would be well suited for being a hyleg; But not when I use Alcabitius house system.
So between these options, I´m in a dilemma how to proceed. In fact, I´m not sure which method to use for finding the hyleg but maybe I´m inclined to Al-Qabisi which is quite similar to Dorotheus but with minor changes or extras maybe. Al-Qabisi also is the latest from the three I believe.
Any insight? Much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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May 18, 2022 at 13:33


May 18, 2022 at 09:58


May 18, 2022 at 08:38


May 18, 2022 at 08:37

I think now I would need to test and check back at some transits for malefics over this point to see if anything specific happened on these occasions (if I remember any!)

May 18, 2022 at 08:36

yes i know but i tend to agree with them.

May 18, 2022 at 08:26

May 18, 2022 at 08:24

If my considerations are right then, I guess that would be the ascendant then? (according to Dorotheus).
In some resources they equate the hyleg with the apheta but seems this is a wrong conception. I´m trying to see the decennia here on astro-seek but there is no "ascendant" in the list of aphetas (that puts me in another cycle altogether I guess)

May 18, 2022 at 08:03


May 18, 2022 at 07:46

So... you suggest I just proceed with Whole Sign when checking for the Hyleg and Alcocoden (and use Dorotheus)? Did you experience with it?

May 18, 2022 at 07:41


May 18, 2022 at 07:22


May 18, 2022 at 07:04


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