Aggravated! - Discussions, questions

~Laura~ » celestialbody22 My pleasure, celestialbody

I don´t have a stellium in my 12th house - but I have jupiter and venus in my 12th house. Venus at apex of a Grand Yod.

My 12th house jupiter is trining your 12th house stellium. Maybe it is this.

celestialbody22 » ~Laura~ Hi Laura,

You have so much depth in your reading. I wont go into the details, but I can say you are very accurate. Without being able to see your chart, I know I gravitate towards your energy. Its very soft. Thank you for clarifying this once again.

~Laura~ Celestialbody
Thank you for you pm. Good to know that my example of the colours was helpful for you.

Celestialbody
""I just feel like I never find a partner that is transparent and forthcoming. Is someone that doesn´t lie, but also doesn´t tell the complete truth a liar? Is withholding information lying? I just feel like I´m sick of attracting people that have secrets and are evasive and don´t communicate or mean what they say and say what they mean. Why do I have to pull teeth for communication??? Ahhhhhh.""

Laura
""I know what you mean. It´s a typical neptune dominated behaviour ""
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What I would like to add to neptune dominated behaviour, to make it more clear...

If a person/partner has once found out- as a child and mostly in a helpless state - that keeping silent, to better not tell all the truth, to better be kinda invisible, to be physically present but to disappear inwardly into another world- to not show own feelings and thoughts and how one really is - has proved as successful to protect oneself and to stay safe - this person will always come back to this and will instinctively react the same way in a tensioned, stressful situation.

For example - a child, which in childhood had to live with alcoholic parents - shouting at each other every evening and the child is sitting in the middle - not able to do anything about - not able to get any attention- but also not able to stand to hear own parents endless arguments and not able to escape from.

Learning early to develop a kind of a "glass bell" to sit under for own protection and to energetically disappear into an own world of dreams to protect own life. In later life often not being able to discuss a matter clearly to an end or to tell the whole truth - always fearing to lose the partner - like as a child to lose own parents.



To attract a man in later life - is also shaped from own father as first male model role, first authority figure and first inner picture of a man - a woman in later life is looking for in a partner. Especially if something has been left open for a healing from childhood and from father relationship.

Father for me is shown in chart of a woman in 5th house - male active principle sun house. Yours in pisces - ruled by neptune. Showing a father who in childhood was not always and really available for you as a supportive father figure - delivering backhold to you as a child.

Neptune is in your 2nd house - inconjuncting a strong, proud leo jupiter in 9th house - the jupiter house. Your father has left an energetical impression stamp on your own selfesteem and your personal values and what you see as worthy and how you see yourself as worthy - in a female body.

Your father experience is able to take impact on your relationships and to attract a man and partner - neptune semisextiles your moon sitting on existence axis 2nd/8th house - moon semisquares venus zero degree exact. Venus as 7th house and as 12th house ruler.

12th house - prenatal experience already before own birth. And IMO here is the key and an early cause.

~Laura~ celestialbody22
""I just feel like I never find a partner that is transparent and forthcoming. Is someone that doesn´t lie, but also doesn´t tell the complete truth a liar? Is withholding information lying?""

I know what you mean. It´s a typical neptune dominated behaviour - planets in 12th house as shadow energy can offer - like not being of this real world -and not under the rules and the laws of this real world and kinda "excused for all" - as unevolved neptune 12th house energy - with planet placements in 12th - as attracting energy - to work on. (6th house work the opposite house - ruled by mars in 8th)


""I just feel like I´m sick of attracting people that have secrets and are evasive and don´t communicate or mean what they say and say what they mean.""

You can´t attract or encounter anything else than you have as attracting energy in your 7th house. Taurus in 7th house ruled by venus.

Venus is in Neptune´s 12th house - added with neptune/venus energy - same for your mercury and your sun in 12th house in libra. Willing to do and to accept a lot for the sake of peace and harmony.

But you are the input, the starting part, your conscious is important for what you get a mirror in a counterpart. And what is (still) necessary to mirror you - to get to know yourself more and better.

You will not and never be able to change another person - you can only change yourself. Let´s take the example of colours. You have a certain starting input colour and attract to meet an another person´s colour and both mixed together will give a certain colour result. Change your own input colour and you will attract different people and the colour mixture result can´t be the same anymore and will be different.

With venus ruling 7th house and 12th house - the neptune house with neptune/venus energy, neptune/mercury energy, neptune/sun energy -you prefer to keep people at distance - not coming to near to you. Feel attracted to men you can´t have - being not free, or having addictions or secrets or live at far distance.

But the cause below is - that you feel yourself not as good enough, not worthy enough, not intelligent enough, not much accepted in your family - with venus squaring your cancer chiron in 9th house. And that you kinda deserve punishment for - moon ruling 9th house in 2nd opposes mars in a mercury ruled 8th house.

What you have faith and belief in- is 9th house (among others religious faith) - ruled by moon with jupiter and chiron in 9th. What you feel as true for you - is true for you -gets true for you and become real for you - you are able to manifest it, as your personal values (2nd), as your attracting energy (7th) and as longterm valid for your lifepath - 10th house in fix sign leo ruled by sun - sun in 12th conj. venus.

With your moon in sag in 2nd house cusp 2nd/8th axis - semisquaring your venus in 12th house - zero degree exact also in 7th house area - to attract people and partners and personal friends. Venus ruling 7th and 12th house conj. your sun - manifest it for your lifepath - sun ruling 10th house.

Pls. start to listen to your thoughts - find out what you think the whole day long and what your belief about yourself looks like. And disciplinate your thoughts - this is what a strong cap saturn in own ruled 3rd house - inconjuncting jupiter in 9th house - is perfect for.

Free your mental mind is with northode in aquarius in 3rd house a fated task for your in this life. And to not care about the opinions of others on you - southnode in leo in 9th house - opinions of the others. Jupiter in 9th house trines your sag moon in 2nd.

And you will soon get transit help from transit uranus for - starting to trine your natal saturn until next year.

3rd house is also your physical radiance and aura - others can notice from you and instinctively react on. Saturn sextilng pluto in your first house is a connection with the collective subconscious and instinctive reactions on from other people.

But whenever your venus is transit activated to get you prepared to meet a new partner matching your energies and your actual consciousness, to begin a new relationshp with - you could also attract a spiritual man and partner, open for spirituality and joining your spiritual life path.

And maybe transit neptune in your 5th house inconjuncting your natal venus from 04/14/2023 on until next year - is a perfect guiding energy for you.

celestialbody22 » Astrooo Wow, I am everywhere and nowhere. The keeper of secrets that of which I do not know. I am both the answer and the question. I do not think I will ever meet someone as deep as I´ve met myself. Who am I? I am.

Astrooo » celestialbody22 capri north node H3
H3...communication...air...the question?
capri....the rock...the statue...the sphinx?
Saturn..Sat_Urn...the return to Self..Self = Sun...= You ?

You in H12... you in the Sphinx?

maybe you are all 3 at the same time....

the treasure within you and in the shadow of your relationships and silences?

celestialbody22 » Astrooo Youre SUCH an amazing teacher!! The way you explain things is so easy to follow and I always appreciate how you take the time to print out a birth chart, study it to such an artistic degree, take a picture of it, upload and share your message. Its much appreciated.

So you are saying that, I am like a Sphinx because its a riddle most cant understand? Is the riddle my birth chart? I cant crack myself!!

celestialbody22 » Zephyrin I really hope so!! I havent ever traveled outside of the US, but I most definitely will this year! Finally got my passport after 31 years LOL

Astrooo » celestialbody22 you are on the right track. ^^

as you are an enigma like the Sphinx (made of stone, H3 capri, Saturn, stone...), I put some "enigmas" on the map

Also look at your current transits.

You will understand why you "grunt"

celestialbody22 » Astrooo So Jupiter in Leo H9... Leo represents my Sun holding a planet that rules expansion sitting at the top of the sky... Meanwhile, my Sun is in the 12H the most hidden house in the wheel. The Sun overpowers/blinds my Mercury (communication). Mars is (r) in Gemini (ruler Mercury-communication) in 8H being drowned and repressed in the deepest house. My Pluto in H1 is facing my Descendant (Taurus) ruler of Venus in 7H. So I am naturally inclined to attract these energies toward me in love. Transformative relationships? My NN is Aquarius in the House of Gemini which means this affects Mercury?? Again communication?? The way forward is communication?? SN is in Leo which circles back to Jupiter??

Omg I am a conundrum. Also, the Lord of the Year for me is Mercury because Im in an 8H progession year. So that means Mars in R is going to be my theme in communication?

Zephyrin » celestialbody22 Seemingly, you attract.

I would love to say it will end but your ASC-Pluto conjunction is very strong in Scorpio, always tend to attract people with Scorpionic personality even if you don´t want to. It is still possible to encounter ones who are compromising, loyal, unafraid to talk if you ignore the ones who have unevolved characteristics of Gemini, (due to your retrograde Mars in Gemini in 8th house) the men who are a liar, manipulative, plotting.


Your Jupiter in 9th house in Leo. DSC in Taurus. Both signs can´t get along but show the characteristics that your partner must have. Possibly, he may be someone with high-status, who knows how to have fun, straightforward, down to earth, charismatic, warm-blooded. He may come from foreign lands. Perhaps you should get to know more people to find the right one for you or if you have already someone with these characteristics around, you may give it a try.

Astrooo very interesting question if we look at your theme at the same time.

look at your mercury combust Sun H12
look at your jupiter leo H9
look at your Venus libra H12
look at H7 Taurus ( venus ruler)
look at your axis of nodes H3-H9 (axis of communication)
look at your axis H1-H7 (axis of the relationship)
look at H8 (transformation of the energies of H7) gemini (mercury ruler) with retrograde mars (important that yourmars is retrograde)

details the strengths and weaknesses of all these positions

your level of astrology is clearly above average.
you must be able to work out a beginning of an answer to your interesting question ^^

celestialbody22 » Rosincvist Well I must of been dropped as a baby cause this feeling has been foreverrrrr

Rosincvist Watch out! ing your cazimi is similar to the aspect that got Edgar Allan Poe concussed! can be a mood wrecker!

celestialbody22 » Zephyrin Everything you said is spot on. I bring up the issue and they dont even see that there is one. Im constantly being accused of assuming things, but when they leave things open to interpretation its kind of a reoccurring thing that doesnt end.

Do you see that this attraction to this stereotype will end. Is this something I attract or are they attracted to me because I know how to deal with this energy??? Im so lost because that´s honestly something I don´t want to attract.

Zephyrin Transit Pluto in Capricorn in 3rd house is bombarding your Sun, Mercury and Venus in 12th house. It is usual encountering men who seem unreliable and mysterious. The ones completely opposite to your thought of ideal partner. Beware, they will keep coming.

Transit Saturn in Aqua squares Pluto in 1st. Natal Chiron opp. Pluto. You feel threatened by the very same men and their attitude turns into a burden for you.

3rd house is affected adversely in transit chart. There is a stellium and the presence of Saturn make it desperate, barriers the communication. Do you consider to speak about the issue you´ve mentioned with them or they directly escape from talking?

One way to cope with with those kind of men is either dumping them silently as they are or being brutally honest about everything.

I have that mysterious, reticent type. A Scorpio with 12th house stellium. I´m half a step away from verbally slaying him. It will be a pleasure.