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12th House Sun - Solar Return Chart. Nooooooooo!
July 22, 2021 at 15:17 (UT/GMT)

12th House Sun - Solar Return Chart. Nooooooooo!
After what I would describe as the most difficult 2 year time period of my life, thus far (following Pluto square Pluto, Nep square Nep, Uranus opp Uranus), which largely involved a very 12th/6th house relationship, which was pretty much my "undoing" in my small community, and with my birthday coming up on Monday, I decided to take a look at my Solar Return Chart for the coming solar year.
I really have been feeling a lot of things lifting, returning to "normal" but with the added consciousness/reflection/integration/humility that a period of extreme upheaval can bring. I have been feeling pretty hopeful about where things are going - cautious, more realistic than before, but hopeful.
Then I saw this chart.
and...
I want to cry.
b/c I´m tired, leveled by karmic mess, absolutely humbled on every level ALREADY. I can´t help but look at this and see potential health crisis or some further communal undoing, but then also some lighter things (Venus in first, vertex in 5th.. but not light enough to undo the heavy):
12th house sun
Pluto in the 6th
Mars in the 1st
Uranus on the MC (please, please no more jolting attention to my public image)
Chiron on the final degree of the 8th house
Part of Fortune in the 8th
Vertex in the 5th , Venus in 1st
How might I interpret *anything* here positively? Can someone help with this?
Moreover (and I think this is always a helpful question to ponder), What is a more whole, less Doomsday, more symbolic/internal and less literal/physical interpretation of Sun in the 12th, Pluto in the 6th? or any of the other placements? Example:Unconscious issues coming through for completion? letting go of what´s been stubbornly held onto? Integration of all that´s happened so a new cycle can begin?
or how could these show up in material ways that are positive? Example: transformation of health? Power in health?
Or if you think my need to find the positive is actually just avoidance/bypassing, you can tell me that, too. I just want to lean toward balance and not go all gloom and doom with this - and I need help in doing that.
I hope I uploaded the chart correctly.
Here it is:
and THANK YOU <3
I really have been feeling a lot of things lifting, returning to "normal" but with the added consciousness/reflection/integration/humility that a period of extreme upheaval can bring. I have been feeling pretty hopeful about where things are going - cautious, more realistic than before, but hopeful.
Then I saw this chart.
and...
I want to cry.
b/c I´m tired, leveled by karmic mess, absolutely humbled on every level ALREADY. I can´t help but look at this and see potential health crisis or some further communal undoing, but then also some lighter things (Venus in first, vertex in 5th.. but not light enough to undo the heavy):
12th house sun
Pluto in the 6th
Mars in the 1st
Uranus on the MC (please, please no more jolting attention to my public image)
Chiron on the final degree of the 8th house
Part of Fortune in the 8th
Vertex in the 5th , Venus in 1st
How might I interpret *anything* here positively? Can someone help with this?
Moreover (and I think this is always a helpful question to ponder), What is a more whole, less Doomsday, more symbolic/internal and less literal/physical interpretation of Sun in the 12th, Pluto in the 6th? or any of the other placements? Example:Unconscious issues coming through for completion? letting go of what´s been stubbornly held onto? Integration of all that´s happened so a new cycle can begin?
or how could these show up in material ways that are positive? Example: transformation of health? Power in health?
Or if you think my need to find the positive is actually just avoidance/bypassing, you can tell me that, too. I just want to lean toward balance and not go all gloom and doom with this - and I need help in doing that.
I hope I uploaded the chart correctly.
Here it is:
and THANK YOU <3


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August 24, 2021 at 16:03

I´m absolutely feeling a need for: more exercise *outside*, more rest. I have more physical sensitivity to doing things that aren´t serving my health, and a drive to focus more on what does. I´m focused on self development *through* a letting go, and have taken a leadership role (but one that´s a bit behind the scenes and focused on others) very recently in a collective that focuses on advocacy... away from "little self" toward the empowerment of others. But it´s a lot of letting go already (mostly of things that have been holding me back from stepping up) and also of rigidities around *how* to be spiritual... redefining what that means around what works for and empowers me.
Thank you - I find this encouraging and helpful.
Here´s to year that helps us along our paths ;)


August 22, 2021 at 11:36

You mentioned that before your birthday you were starting to feel better... Well I´ve heard that the theme of the solar return can be felt up to three months before the birthday. So take that as s good sign! Then again, this life isn´t about chasing after comfort and avoiding the unpleasant. Our challenge is to see that this dimension is formed by these polarities and three is no avoiding either of them if we want to play the game and get free.
Best wishes!!

August 8, 2021 at 12:53

And point gratefully taken. This recognition (and subsequent release) of the expectation for privilege is important to me, too - I will carry this thought as part of this story.
Here´s to planting sunflowers!

August 8, 2021 at 05:07

Another thought : we are all embedded in structural inequalities ethnicity, gender, class, health/disability, sexual orientation, upbringing, state, nation etc etc
Learning not to see privilege as our right (and part of our ego-identity) seems important to me. I can think of lots of privileges I have. I don’t feel guilty for them but the question arises how can I use them at this point my life?
It’s late winter/ very early spring here. I might plant some sunflowers too! 🌻🌻🌻

August 7, 2021 at 11:52

This is exactly what I needed - someone with a similar enough view of it all walking with me for a moment, acknowledging/encouraging a position that is hopeful, whole, sober without trying to fly into the ethers in denial but also not submitting to despair. life soup - in all it´s glory and challenges.
There are things here I hadn´t even considered, but which resonate so much. In fact, what you´ve written is something I´ll return to throughout the year to digest more, and will become richer on each pass. Thank you.
Specifically, I´m really chewing on (and hopefully this will be helpful to others reading who may be in a similar place):
1. what you said about the power dynamics. In a communal context, I was with someone who has a lot of power, while I have very little. Thus I was targeted, while he survived and thrived. Everything I had relied on communally (which I´d now say was pretty shallow) vanished. Of course, what I hadn´t chewed on until very recently was how I, too, may have abused the power I had (even if it was much less than he had). I´m facing some difficult truths there that I hadn´t wanted to see -- I wasn´t as innocent as I wanted to believe (ego attachment); used pretty egoic powers to have what I wanted without fully weighing the impact on some of the people around me; and I certainly failed to assess and appreciate what a vulnerable position I was in, relying on those very shallow support structures (more ego).
2. regathering a core sense of self. I think I was so stubbornly attached to public opinion for a sense of worth, that it had to be forcibly removed to break that attachment. The false securities that were in the way have been demolished and mostly cleared (some bits are stubbornly hanging around. I´m imagining a house demolition). Now it´s all just sitting in a state of rubble, not quite able to build something new yet, assessing whether any of the old structure can be reused, dust in the air, nails on the ground. but seeds are there already, yes, ready to be planted.
I´m gonna plant those seeds, Viv! Thank you.
And yeah, like you, I´m a believer in the efficacy of astrology. My presence here on this forum is kind of predicated on that, so I like to assume it and move from there.
I love the idea of saying, "Venus, I don´t understand... ".
interconnecting systems theory - yes, yes, yes.






August 7, 2021 at 00:47

Then I notice you have SR moon Jupiter in your seventh! That is surely a more buoyant and optimistic image? And maybe Uranus at the SR MC will indicate a new career direction rather than damage to your reputation!
Like you I will be glad when Saturn moves direct in Oct, your idea of taking care with your health is probably a good idea and then as it moves into the seventh some discernment in relationships..
I don’t think it helps to temporarily fly somewhere on your birthday. The resonance to where we normally live is stronger and I usually look at the SR for birthplace too.
Nor do I think planets are “inanimate” or that astrology need be taken in a fatalistic way. I think we live within interconnecting systems of spiritual energies which we can call on for help. This does not negate (or require) a belief in God! Nor does it negate our own free will. It just can be helpful to say “Venus I don’t understand what you are trying to teach me here, please help me wake up to what you want to offer.“. and the same with every set of planetary energies. They are here to help us become who we want and need to be. If events occur from the outside, like fate, and sometimes they do, I suspect it is because we are not yet big enough to understand the why.
And Yes. I agree a Sun 12th SR is an indicator of a time of contemplation and completion, but no one would stop you planting sunflower seeds!
Best V

August 6, 2021 at 18:22



August 3, 2021 at 20:29

I guess it´s just that, in retrospect, when I look back at previous years, there´s really a coherent story/pattern visible in the solar return. Yes, to some degree, we can always connect some dots around what we already know happened, but I do think there are... focuses, not predictions of events per se, but areas of life/psyche that tend to be highlighted more than others.
Given this, and current circumstances and focuses, the chart resonates. And I want to see strengths in it and consciously guide what I´m working with (or not), particularly in areas where I´m historically very uncomfortable but likely need to grow.
I think the planets and the story they tell are a reflection of both whatever higher power exists (if any) and our psyches. There´s an order there - I don´t think we understand the ins and outs of it, but we know it works somehow. And in that there is both some surrender/acceptance and some control -- not so unlike any other belief system.
But point taken to heart. I need to think more about those fears and what I can do feel more in the driver´s seat. Thank you <3

August 3, 2021 at 19:56

It has been proved in scientific research that astrology predicts as much as guessing. It can be fun to learn astrology, but to make real life decisions, getting anxious about transits is not beneficial, I know it from experience.
My solar returns never seem to look good. I don´t think that it matters anymore.
I relied on tarot readings for one year and then astrology became another way to control and try to cheat the system, knowing things in advance. It didn´t work. Everything got better, when I returned to the reality and put energy in things that are working.
You will be fine, because it´s up to you. I don´t know if you believe in God or higher power, but there might be someone more powerful than some inanimate planets.
Read the research that disprove astrology, it puts things in perspective. Also there are things you can do to improve your situation.

July 23, 2021 at 13:44

but ... on an astrology website, we can acknowledge that certain transits through a lot of actual, well documented (and in my estimation scientific) evidence have an impact on physical events or what we otherwise refer to as "reality". Fate? nah. impactful/causal or at minimum correlative/explanatory? Well, that´s what astrologers are tracking, in general.
Anyway, I want to craft a story or list of helpful things to ponder and do to make such a year less likely to be detrimental. I´ve heard of ppl actually traveling to change their solar return charts. If these charts work in the way we think they do, though, I don´t think we can run from our 12th house years. but I am determined to guide it in a conscious manner (and maybe be extra careful with my health and you know not do anything that might lead to arrest or institutionalization, ha.


July 22, 2021 at 16:22


It´s because things like that are possible I´m such a non-believer in all this destiny-fate business


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