Saturn - Discussions, questions

AmberMoon » RuthJezabel That is so very interesting to read.

It´s an opposite to my experience of the two planets 😄.

RuthJezabel » AmberMoon I agree that Saturn must be respected. My return started in 2018, honestly 2019 was a spectacular year and I had saturn-south node and pluto very close to my sun all year. Then came 2020 with tests, losses of various kinds and obstacles.
Today I have Pluto in a progressed chart on the ascendant, it is simpler to understand Pluto since it incites symbolic death for a new rebirth, it is purge ... it is more direct and forceful. On the other hand, Saturn I understand that respect is due to him but I do not understand the reason for his lessons ... that is why I agree with some people who say that it is the planet of "karma" and now I have it near my moon ...

AmberMoon Hi Ruth,

For Saturn, as with other planets and heavenly bodies I have a lot of fascination and respect.

I feel that the collective is so powerful in its setup, energy and synergies,...it exudes magnificence.

In those arrangements is actually where I can see God.

But that´s a personal experience, and it may be the same or different for others.

When I was (even 🙂) younger I used to struggle a lot with restrictions.

I was born in the Vedic Saturn/Shani dasha and this lasted until somewhere around university.

And this is only one of the ways Saturn colours my life.

Growing older and also seeing patterns in other people´s lives, I´m now in a better place to see why those influences where necessary in my life.

In my case Saturn gave me a fair share of no´s in life but I worked very hard and I feel that this might just have been the purpose of those no´s. My efforts are slow to be rewarded but in comparison to other manifestations of Saturn, I feel that the rewards are accordingly amplified.

And I no longer feel a sense of injustice when I look at how easy some aspects of life seem for other people my age.

In this manner I´ve integrated Saturn and I understand to a certain extent the bigger picture.

It´s still difficult for me to do the same thing with Pluto.

That energy is hard for me to process and although I am at a point where I think I can understand why Pluto would come to eradicate ultimately harmful elements from my life, it´s less fatherly rigid than Saturn.

I compare it with the angel of death that simply appears to take your soul without any further discussion.

And I just need more time to process those losses but that time is not given.

JayJayAstrology » RuthJezabel Again, I´m suggesting that you are making a lot of assumptions from the get-go and this does not leave much room for other interpretations. I´ll leave you to it.

RuthJezabel » JayJayAstrology As I have already mentioned in several opportunities, my obstacle is in specifying "achieving" goals, objectives.
On the other hand, it is worth mentioning that I have a dominant Saturn in my letter, for this reason the question of how to integrate or work it.
Another issue that I would like to emphasize is that Saturn makes aspects with my nodes and the MC-IC that are harmonic aspects, but it is important to note that my chart is a night chart, and Saturn is constructive in a day chart. In my case, Saturn is the destructive malefic of the opposing sect and well located in my natal chart. that´s why I resonate when they "talk about karma."

JayJayAstrology » RuthJezabel I´m wondering if you´re asking the right question. I still don´t understand why you think Saturn needs to be integrated. You say you´re new to astrology. IF you elaborate on your problem - give some details, so we have more information to work with, maybe people will understand what the problem is and can give you some ideas as to what correlates - instead of you theorizing first. What is it are you trying to do in your life? What problem are you trying to resolve? That kind of thing.

RuthJezabel » fishscales If I am also afraid to carry out what I like the most, like speaking in public and grabbing a microphone among many other things!
I will carry that prayer forward!
Thank you so much!

RuthJezabel » goldenlion32 Of course or I saw from that point of view, perhaps seeing myself "restricted" or "blocked" to what I want to achieve.
on the other hand, very wise what you say about the planets in Capricorn and about my "mental health" work question.
Exactly I feel that, the block that I can have in achieving goals.
Thank you very much for your contribution.

RuthJezabel » JayJayAstrology It may also be related to this inconsistency of these two Capricorn-Sagittarius signs. It is also true that I do not attend to emotional issues, therefore I usually have conflicts in that area.
and I may feel guilty in "not achieving" where I want to go, perhaps I should dissolve that concentration of energy in "achieving". I also take into account that I am a perfectionist and that if I am working on it and much more tolerant
Thank you so much!

RuthJezabel Good afternoon everyone.
Thank you for the contributions and very rich analysis that you have shared.
From my point of view I think that the difficulty is in Saturn on top accompanied by uranus and neptune.
I do not deny his attributes that he bequeath me, but I do feel that great obstacles such as reaching goals are linked to this blockage that I feel in me, which I associate with that Saturn in good company.
That is why my question was how to work that saturn? How to integrate saturn? How have they been able to transcend Saturn? I am new to astrology, and perhaps the issue is not that but some other question of my natal chart.
on the other hand, mention about my work, so I was working in a health center in a rehabilitation facility with people with intellectual disabilities. I am passionate about it but I no longer work there, I am out of a return from Saturn where I had many losses, including my work.
I am going to take all the advice that they have left me and perhaps the deepest fears as they have also mentioned

fishscales Integrating Saturn with the rest of your chart can often be a weird balance of doing what you´re most afraid of, and having the wisdom to accept your limitations without resentment, etc.

I think the serenity prayer applies pretty well when it comes to how to deal with Saturn:

"God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

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Saturn can give off restrictions of your own belief systems about yourself. Self-limiting beliefs of what you can or can not do in your experience. This usually is a life time of Capricorn themes that deal with your purpose for being here.

This may deal with where you are educated, who educates you in teachers, professors, bosses, or parental authorities.

Uranus in Capricorn is your higher communications, messaging, and you´re aha moments, insights, part of your intuition.

Neptune in Capricorn can expose the fantasy, fiction, lies, deception with culture, governments, politics, organized religious/spiritual groups, or other organized groups or social settings that may have restrictions, rules, regulations, policies, and procedures.

Capricorn is ruled by Saturn.

It is also the Patriarchy, Paternal family lines. There may be some ancestor family karma perhaps you unfold and reveal the truth if you´re digging in the roots.

There can be different layers of work, education, religion/spiritual, and family dynamics at play throughout your life.

Perhaps even with Medical/Mental Health.

The 1st house deals with your physical appearance and surrounding environment that may have to do with Capricorn Archetype.

I find Saturn is not something you integrate all at once, since part of it is showing up in different places, gaining the experiences, the information to process, and how it correlates with what you believe, how you interact with society, and what you´re meant to learn along the way.

It comes with bringing awareness of how you block yourself from achieving your goals, how you prevent yourself from achieving your goals with certain actions, certain interactions, and also about power, control, domination, and whether you´re trying to control the environment, the outcome, and the people in the environment.

I believe sometimes it is difficult for some of you in 1989, because there can be a lot of family restrictions, rules, regulations, and what they believe you need to do about how you organize yourself, their values, their morals, their conditioning of relationships and family dynamics.

There can be difficult in processing emotions, thoughts, and feelings at times for some. Some have a hard time with the psychic, intuitive, and some don´t. It may be breaking out of the conventional way of thinking when it comes to emotional, mental, spiritual, physical, and financial health. Trying new things or alternative, but then getting in situations where others impose what they believe is the "Right" method, technique, or tool to use.

This is finding a healthy balance of being organized, structured, yet, allowing it to get way out of control where it effects the outcome in relationships, your education, and your work. You can be too overly responsible if you don´t find balance.

JayJayAstrology I´m not sure what you mean by "integrating Saturn". What is it that you are trying to integrate?

Saturn is definitely a big focus in everyone´s chart. Yours is in Capricorn, but you also have Sun, Uranus and Neptune in Capricorn - so - that´s a lot of Capricorn - and when planets are conjunct, they naturally kind of blend.

I bet you enjoy working hard and taking responsibility. All your Capricorn planets are in the first house - and people see you perhaps as mature, serious and responsible. Saturn, like Capricorn is about your inner integrity - your ability to be responsible and of service, your ability to tirelessly work in a sustained manner - to be very focused. Neptune can add creativity, inspiration and Uranus can add intuition, intelligence and the ability to think out of the box. These qualities are not in conflict with each other. They are all in Capricorn - focused there - and in the first house, which gives you the ability to begin projects and express yourself - while you have the ability to finish projects.

But the Sagittarius rising with Venus on the ASC provides a challenge. Sagittarius is an opposite energy to the Capricorn. Sagittarius is fire - and extroverted. It takes you out into the world in an expansive way and wants to bring back new ideas and experiences and to assimilate. It wants to extend, grow, learn, expand. Saturn and Capricorn likes to keep a narrow focus, nose to the grind. Both Sagittarius and Capricorn like to keep moving, but they do it so different. You are blending fire and earth - which can be excellent for starting things that you finish - or being a good athlete - you have initiative and endurance.

The Venus isn´t necessarily conflicting - it´s just that it likes to be pleasant - it likes to interact in a kind of superficial sort of way. It appreciates everything beautiful, peaceful, calm. It´s the Sagittarius that is in conflict here.

Looking at the rest of your chart - Virgo SN - Mars in Aries in the 5th - more earth and fire. You don´t have any substantial cooling water. You work but it isn´t easy for you to attend to your emotions. This is the big challenge. You are very smart, independent, and you like to help and be of service. You will just need to make a bigger effort to be cognizant of your feelings and to nurture yourself. You need to allow some escape time - pleasure time - downtime.

Pluto in Scorpio in the 11th can be the intention to not be so attached to making the world a better place - to sacrifice yourself and what you might enjoy for the benefit of others. If you do it out of guilt - out of the belief that it is selfish to have fun or allow yourself to feel nurtured - then this is the challenge. You have to challenge that belief - and - be willing to feel a little guilty when you nurture yourself. The guilt goes away eventually - and you will have broken the pattern.

You could see Saturn as focusing on pleasant escapes (Neptune) your Pisces North Node is what says - you need to release the perfectionism and analysis and helping - and relax, smell the roses, and feel your Soul-Spirit while you sing in the shower.

Actually, I think the South Node is the greatest challenge in development. But where Saturn is, in the sign and house it is in, describes some of the challenge presented in the South Node. Either way - you have a lot of earth and fire and these elements are the hardest ones to integrate. So maybe I am answering the question after all.

Of course - you can work with them. It will just take some time. I have the earth-fire thing too.

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RuthJezabel » rohitahuja Thank you infinitely for that valuable information. I will carry it forward.
It should be noted that I am already in organizations where people donate, help others, and accompany people.
now I will look for the image of shani to have it in a space.

rohitahuja Hi ,

According to Vedic Indian astrology saturn is a malefic planet who is very calculative while providing results of karma, now unlike other planets this planet usually give negative results only and ignores positive karma if negatively placed, now there are many remedies for calming the effects of Saturn (also known as shani in vedic astrology)
1. Donate and help out people who are in need, never turn you back on any one who seek your help.
2.You can place a Saturn( Shani Yantra, like the one on this link https://gemsyogi.com/product/…) in a clean place in your home, if you have a meditation , or prayer room then place it there, now this resembles Saturn itself so you can chant saturn mantra " Om pram prim praum sah shanaye namah" 108 times and wipe this yantra it sesame oil.
after chanting you can ask for Saturn blessings, This is the most effective way to please saturn.

Thank you

Cecilia_3 » RuthJezabel Yes, there is a chiron there. So, for example you give advices to people who suffer from relationships. And you will heal yourself. You need to face your fears through using giving advices.

RuthJezabel » Cecilia_3 Very good data! I was also thinking about that, the issue is that this chiron is in the opposite house.
an astrologer heard that where this chiron we fled from connecting with that house, I also see it in saturn

Cecilia_3 It is said that if you want to minimize the effects of saturn, you will work on opposite house of it.

RuthJezabel » ilusiones If I just left the return! ☺

ilusiones You might want to think about the year your Saturn Return happened, it probably has clues towards how developed Saturn themes are for you and what they´re about.

RuthJezabel » Rosincvist More than a deep mind it seems to me that it goes to the side of deep and big obstacles haha

Rosincvist The closeness of the / midpoint to the "Lord of the Rings" is a profound mind attribute that you have!