Where is my sun - Discussions, questions

Forel » Anni23 I am currently reading one book about birth charts and astrology, where I´ve found some interesting insights. It also states that we, in case of our personality, charcter, looks, behaviors and seeing the world and has the world see us, are like our rising signs. So this adds up to the above.

But fun fact about the Sun sign. It´s says there that the Sun represents how and where we want to became a hero, where and how we want to shine and became a star. Therefore sign and placement play important role. Sun refuses to be what it´s not, and we have to understand our sun to feed it in order to be successfull and happy in life.

So as I´ve said before - Sun puts a spotlight on some areas and traits in life we´re destined to master during our journey. It´s not who we are, but who we will became at specific stage - depends if it´s family, work, social circles or spirituality :).

Anni23 » Forel I only meant comparatively, actually in my view I have seen or met many people who act/think just like their moon or mercury, including myself. I agree that the ascendant may not just be a mask though. But of course I think that everything is a accumulation of the most domiant signs, which almost invariably includes the ascendant/the sign it´s in, the sun, moon and mercury. And maybe to a lesser extent Venus, unless it´s your chart ruler like it is mine.

That´s interesting however what you say about traditional astrology, because to an extent I think that I would consider it more correct than some of the more modern additions.. yet also it seems to be overly negative and "superstitious" in parts if you will.
Actually I really agree about mc too, as I have read that we grow into whatever sign rules our mc. Although I think I have also read this about ours sun too..

Actually the the thing I believe I would have to disagree with the most is only mercury. Mercury is our mind, and we are our mind essentially not our body, as our mind dictates where our body goes. And thinking patterns develop behaviour (again it would be accumulative with the other domiant signs etc)

Also I agree about house placements and I want to look into this more as I think that I may feel the influence of the houses equally at least to the sign of those houses and where several planets belong

Forel » Nicower As I´ve said from the point of birth chart and interpretations you are your rising sign. The other things flavor it. That´s why traditional astrology for thousands of years were considering the Ascendant as our "zodiac sign". And from what I´ve learn, the Ascendant says the most about the body.

Nicower » Forel I disagree.
Not only ASC shows personality, but also planets. I know persons, who are blessed by fiery sun (brown hair, skin and very well built) and swam in the moonlight lake (black hair, pale skin and skinny). Saturn in gemini will have long fingers, if aspected with mercury. Aries mars can leave some scars on face. If in bad aspect with saturn will make person bald early e.c. Venus in taurus blessed by moon will give good lookings, while moon gemini represents well-formed, comely person, but not fortunate if not aspecting jupiter, sun or venus.

Forel » Anni23 Well I disagree with the Ascendant thing, because looking at birth chart, the only place where you are put or being the most related to you in case of personality, flavor, apperance and body is the 1st house. And for thousands of years, before 20th century ruined traditional astrology, our rising sign were the main one. It´s not the one some call as mask or external performance. I agree we should be looking at the bigger picture, because all matters.

Anyway for me the rising sign and it´s ruler are the first thing I look at, and the dispositors. MC is also important, because when you meet somebody for the 1st time you meet with their Midheaven. Sun shows us the sort of lesson to learn or thing to master in our life, like a hidden potential to develop - related to house and sign topics. Where as moon is the way where and how we self structure, find safety, deal inside with outside things. Mercury is important, but I wouldn´t put that much emphasis on it. Of course he says about how we think and how we communicate, but there are more things to be consider.

And last but not least: aspects which can help connect the dots. Somebody´s planet might be unaspected or poorly aspected or creating tention with angular points - this says a lot. Also planetary neighboors also influence each other. I think Uranus and Neptune color my Sun a lot, no matter that they are the outer planets, where the house placement not sign placement tells more.

Anni23 » PiscesMoon I agree about what you say about some confusion about what a sign is supposed to be like in contrast to perhaps the other somewhat more domiant signs we have. There is a uncertainty of when we are behaving a certain way/thinking in that way because we think often that our attitude channels through maybe one or two signs (which is easier as well to think) I also am supposed to have prominent Capricorn placements yet I don´t think this is within my top 5 signs or planets necessarily, which would be virgo, cancer, leo, libra and gemini which forms the basis for my character I think as these are my personal planets and two are my ascendant + Venus so that´s how I relate to the world/people, so I agree to this effect the ascendant is going to appear important. But then also I think that it´s far from being even half the picture? Because you have your mercury and moon which I actually think are the most prominent planets with most people (maybe not all) because they dicate what we feel and how we think. So actually from this point of view I believe the ascendant is "comparatively" less important

The other thing about why people don´t relate to a sign they have I think is because they don´t relate to what is supposed to be one or two of the key characteristics, as well as characteristics melding in with other signs that share the same instincts

I could also be said to have done this, deny characteristics of my sun sign because I am not loud, or in you face or arrogant, but I have realised that I prize dignity, trust, loyalty, self expression and direct communications, and where does that come from? Most probably leo lol..

Forel » NeptuneSpaceCow I´ve always felt like a more Sag, when I believed in cusp while being younger. When I got into astrology, I´ve found myself 100% like Leo and then cancer in some situations. I get the feeling like Uranus and Neptune influence my 6th house topics heavily.

Although my sun is poorly aspected, only to the MC in Aries, whose ruler is in 5th house Sag - so fire fire. And when looking at decans my ASC is in Jupiter decan, so it links more towards Sag themes.

I´ve heard that planets in domiciles are kind of lazy and 12th house placements it´s kinda hidden, well it is about subconcious.

One astrologer told me that there is no stronger or weaker, as energies works and blends together but if he would have to choose the stronges he would point out Venus Pluto conjunction.

PiscesMoon » Forel Hi, that´s all true. Although I am not calm like Taurus. I am always staying in my comfort zone, and have the self indulgent trait of Taurus. I do need to learn to e the rock of support for myself! My ascendant in Pisces is in the first house. The interpretation of that is a bit strange, some parts like me, other parts sound self destructive.

Anni23 Hey! My sun is right on the line between cancer and leo too. I have been told that because it was within 5 hours of the previous sign that the influence is felt more strongly

Forel » PiscesMoon @CatherineKate Well according to what I know so far is that you ARE your rising sign - if we would have to make it as simply as we can. So you are Pisces and having moon in Pisces makes you even more of it, because the way you react to changes, emotions and how you self-structure and bring safety is very Pisces like. You might not feel like a Taurus, because sun sing doesn´t say much about personality - it´s a place to self-develop during life and the ideal role we go towards in certain situations depending on the house the sun it´s placed in. That´s why house position matters a lot.

So with Taurus you might learn in life to be more calm, steady, building comfort zone for yourself and be the rock of support for yourself and for others and maybe even be a little stubborn.

PiscesMoon I kinda have the same issue. My sun is in Taurus and really the only trait I have of a Taurus in the stubbornness. My moon and rising is in Pisces I appear more like Pisces and act pretty much a Pisces. Capricorn´s though I don´t understand them, even though I know many of them. I can´t spot their traits. Maybe you have the confusion as well as to what a Capricorn is supposed to be like.

sprag That´s a Capricorn stellium. So fiery Capricorn. 😁

IIyyaarr13 You get more raisins with two scoops of Kellogg´s Raisin Bran!

Forel » JayJayAstrology Yes, I can definitely feel the fiery aspect eventhough im watery-emotional. As for the Chiron conjuncting the ascendent - it both fits 1th and 12th house.

At younger age I was overweight, which makes me feel less worthy and escaping social situations or any occasions to shine. I was bullied, laughed at and called at in school, I´ve never went to pools or anywhere I had to undress, even to gym.
This is very 1st house topics (or also conjuncting the ASC).

On the other hand, I was very keep-to-myself kind of approaching it and pretending everything is fine. I´ve overcome it thanks to diet and excersising but alone, without nobody seeing it. That´s very 12th house like.

Fortunately now, since my mid 20s I´ve gained my confidence and learn how to be healthy confident and to love myself, where I finally believed I´m unique and worthy. And healing that wound is very satisfying.

Forel » Crystalboy444 I´ve read that Sun at 0 degrees means the purest embodiment of that sign that´s in. In most systems we use in astrology, the Sun lands in 5th sign, only in three it is on 6th.

I´m leaning towards Equal houses, as I said, because I believe in the idea of blending energies in our birth chart. So having planet in one sign in the house ruled by other sign blends those enegies.

Maybe I haven´t developed 6th house traits yet or the outer planets twist the usual topics that much. It might be wishful thinking, but I have to admit, in every source I´ve read - in both myself and my moms case the sun fits better in Equal Houses placement.

I know usually sun in 6th house isn´t that strong, but for my chart I believe it´s important since it rules it. But for quick list I can tick almost every 5th house traits, besides children, whereas in the 6th just one :D.

JayJayAstrology Hi!
Actually, the Pacidus House system is the one most used by professional astrologers - although Whole Sign has been getting a lot of press lately - as has Hellenistic astrology - but truly - these are not as popular among professionals.

I´m not saying that Whole Sign has no merit or that hellenistic doesn´t have merit - but I don´t use either - and they don´t speak to me nearly as much as other systems. I do in fact play with different house systems and can often come up with very similar readings using them. But I still think Placidus is more accurate. It´s just my opinion.

Anyway, natal charts speak in themes. You have Leo rising with Chiron on it - which means there´s a problem with Leo - maybe you are too egocentric, driven to please others, or want too much attention. Negative Leo can be arrogant and selfish. Whatever negative Leo traits you have, you are supposed to turn them into positive Leo qualities.

Then you have Mars and Mercury in the 5th house regardless of house system. So, that´s a lot of Leo energy.

Capricorn Sun will work hard and seriously - and no matter what, with Leo rising and Mercury-Mars in 5th in Sagittarius - you will be fiery and creative and goal-oriented. You´ve also got North Node, Uranus, and Neptune in Capricorn, 6th - Saturn in Uranus - so you´ll like to be of service to others in some way (hopefully) - you will want to be a more inventive type Capricorn - so more creativity brought by Uranus in Capricorn.

Moon in 12th is also a very creative placement - very tuned into the Muse. Regardless of what house your Sun is in - these things will be true.

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Crystalboy444 I think because it is exactly at 0 degrees it is technically in the 6th house in the whole sign but because you told us that the description of the 5th house makes more sense to you, I think as another 0-degree sun person that you are 1 sign, yes but you carry a portion, whether big or small of the last zodiac since I see it as a door opened and u are moving into the door while the other one hasn´t closed. for me, the door closed around nowadays where I find myself calmer and exhibiting Taurus characteristics, yet they arise finds itself in a different way, specifically for mercury for me, and I think that is what is happening with you since you have planets in those 2 houses. plus because the planets in your Capricorn house are the outer ones maybe the sun feels awkward in there and prefers to warm up to the sag placements. I hope you found this helpful if not I am sorry, I´m kinda new to this, anyway hope you have a good day.